Are People Born Gay?

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Who cares...

Everyone should just live their own life the way they want to...

NO ONE has the right to tell another how they should live their life. Not a religious group, or political group, or ethnic group, or any one else for that matter.

As long as no laws are broken and no one gets hurt, live and let live... :great:

Nuff said.
 
Rivoli: there is no reason we can't talk about any subject, why do you think we can't?

Blackie: yeah, how about that there theory that the world was flat and there be serpents along the edge?

Or how about the one that said that women were only the "garden" where men plant the seed?

The one I liked best was when the running theory was that in sperm, there was a little tiny fully developed creature that just needed a place to grow. There was even an illustration of a sperm with a tiny tiny horse in the head......

Or how about (I think it was gates) who said that people would never need more than 640K of computer memory? OOPS
 
That's the problem right there: what laws? There are laws on the books that say you can't have anal sex with your wife......There are all kinds of laws that protect people who do wrong, that's the problem with laws.

Then you get into the problem with international law, and an individual country's laws. I mean, stoning a woman to death for being raped? That's a law in some countries....

I think that we should have laws that state: once you've been convicted with concrete evidence (like a video showing you committing a murder) you forfeit your rights. The thing that bugs me is that an asshole pedophile or someone who sells drugs to school kids has the same rights as I do......

The thing about sexuality laws is that at some point, someone decided that being gay DID injure someone or purported the possibility of someone getting hurt therefore they made it illegal (not sure if the law is still on the books or not). Just like any ethnic or other group, there are some who are dangerous and most who aren't.

Even though it IS fiction, a very good argument was put forth on the show True Blood. The Vampire league was fighting for equal rights for vampires, then one goes and rips the heart out of a news anchor on live tv. The outcry was huge with those saying SEE we TOLD you they were evil..The response though is what I'm getting at:

The spokesvamp said: Jeffrey Dahmer was human and did far worse, does that mean that all humans should be killed?

I have used this argument with others who are against muslims: Sure, Bin Laden was muslim but that doesn't mean all muslims are bad just because he organized the 9/11 attacks.....
 
Ok, what I should have wrote is religion plays a roll.

Here is the theory and I don't want to be marked on it.

If it was left to us without having religion involved, then almost all of us who be BI or Gay.

Men went away for days and weeks on there own, women where left days and weeks on there own. What do you think Happened when, let say, the guys got horny or the women? If it was me I would not be waiting for my hubby to come home I would be Kissing lets say Patsy who is in the same hut as me.:666:

So to make it short, and skip a lot of the theory because I figure you all can think it through, religion was brought forth to help solve the problem of not enough babies being born. Ok, just think it through before you answer. Add what you want but this conversation between Brash and myself is on going for awhile now.:happy:
 
Well it was Gates, but I think it was 64k (in reference to addressing memory)! LOL

I'll have to check my copy of the very first "PC Magazine" in which the interview was published... The interview was conducted in 1981 but not published until Jan 1982.
 
A homo is a homo burned with the homo genes, nnf said :no:
 
Bliss?

You're entitled to your opinion but I think you're way off base here.....

WHat happened when armies went away?

All depends on what time period and what country you're talking about.

The greeks took, well, stable boys with them.
The Romans took consorts and or raped or took women along the way (as with many other countries).

As for all of us being bi without religion, speak for yourself. You're basing your entire opinion on the "societal" influence to make people gay or straight. It isn't simply that.

For example, I grew up in a rough neighbourhood. Most came from broken homes, lived on welfare, and most kids my age were delinquents. Sure I dabbled and got up to mischief, but did I turn into a career criminal? Nope. By your argument I should have since I was influenced by the society I grew up in.

If it is purely religion, how can it be that a gay couple (or man) can raise a straight child? It'd be impossible......

Really, you gotta stop smoking the sofa cushions........
 
I think most people are born with a certain disposition. I was born not liking men sexually and nothing is going to change that. I could be locked up for years in prison and would have no desire to touch another man. Others are born with homosexual tenancies and they may or may not act on them.

Gay or straight I couldn't care less if the truth be told, but do not try to push your gay rights down my throat! Everyone is welcome to do what they like with whomever they wish behind close doors but do not try and stifle other people because you do not agree with their position on the subject because that is just hypocritical.

Look at the disgusting campaign gay Smitherman is running. Grasping at straws trying to point out Ford is anti-gay, is a loud mouth, yeah what ever Ford is going to revitalize Church St.
 
Why? OP posted a thread with a question. 2 attacks on first 3 replies. One of them calls him troll other one calls him stupid. HOF tried to play with words and said he called stupid to question, not to OP. :lol: 5 years old kid can see it what he meant on his first post.

This is why I asked who decides what to talk and what not to talk. If HOF and Tgirl decide who is troll and stupid and who is not. Then I will be carefull about not to post anything related to homosexuality. So I wont be called troll and stupid.
 
Don't want to be marked on it? Well, you're in the wrong place for that one. Where did you come up with that theory hi-lighted? It's a doozer! It's so wrong on a number of levels.
 
Why is it wrong? Religion benefits from people having children and bringing them up in their faith, it's the main reason they oppose birth control and abortion. It's not a big leap to include opposition to homosexuality.
 
All I can say is that I've never seen, read, or heard anyone espouse that the main point of religion was to increase the population. The RC in Quebec in the 50's said it was a responsibility of the good Catholics in the province to have many babies to have a larger RC population which was in decline, but that wasn't the church's raison d'etre. It failed miserably.

Even now, the Liberals in Quebec are instigating a bigger family policy and paying people to have more kids, but it's for political reasons 'not' religious reasons. The courts have ruled against bill 101 and said you can't force people to go th French schools. So they are loosing their francophone base.

Most scholars would agree that religions arise to give some people answers to certain questions/fears they have and have those who with these answer to lead in 'certain' aspects of their lives. From there it goes off in all directions.

Not all religions oppose birth control and abortion.
 
We're all a little gay according to Kinsey :)

To answer your question, though... whether we are born straight, gay, bisexual, what ever, I definitely do not believe that sexual orientation is a choice. You choose to sleep with men or sleep with women, but you absolutely do not choose which gender (or which person, for that matter) you are attracted to--you're just attracted.
 
After reading all the verbal diarrhea thrown around in this thread, this young lady's comment makes the most sense to me, well said Valerie.:great:
 
Everyone is born with both female and male hormones in various balances that give raise to certain tendencies, but it's not written in stone. Whether you're an alpha or beta male/female tends to follow with this balance/ratio, but if you are introduced to both sides you get comfortable with whatever floats your boat and it's not a matter of right or wrong. In ancient Greece and Rome it wasn't a question of gay or straight or both, but more a case of whatever was available at the time and place.
 
There's a lot of debate about this subject. conservative and religious groups insist that homosexuality is a choice, while civil rights and gay rights activists say that it's biological, i.e. something you're born with and have no control over.

Personally, i think homosexuality is something biological. i've had quite a few gay friends over the years, and many have recounted their struggles with coming out to their parents, friends, peers, etc. i believe that if it was a choice, they would not have chosen something that would end up being so painful to them and destructive to their relationships.​
 
Name the last time the church or the religious right got it correct when it came to science; biology. geography, genetics and the like. What makes anyor think they have homosexuality right. 50% of the voter public in Texas, correctly considered a conservative godly state, don't beieve in evolution. WTF.

I think it's the later and I don't consider myself an activist at all; just an informed/educated/logical thinker
 
Nobody is "born homosexual"

There is no gay gene nor any hormonal magic that makes babies gay in the womb but prevents them from " discovering they are gay " until their teens or adulthood. Its all BS drama to try to gain sympathy. It is a choice.
 
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    ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•Beautiful Korean girl working at 382 Wilson Ave ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-840-0071โค๏ธโค๏ธ
  36. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบWonder spa,(9421Jane st unit127)call416-5000-800โ˜Ž๏ธbest massage in vaughan,Wednesday RMT available,๐Ÿ’„sexy face young girl Joey natural c cup,very good looking nice body slide,really popular ๐ŸŽlong hair Q Lucy good strong to relax oil massage, Relieve pain and remove stress,more experience,๐ŸŒนvery nice new girl CiCi, amazing the end,give you warm time,must try๐ŸŒน๐Ÿฅค
  37. AliceSpa:
    WEDNESDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—” 416-298-0898, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough 3 very nice girls here today. Open 10am to 9pm: CLOUDIA (11am-8pm): is Vietnamese, young, petite 5'2" & 96 Lbs, B Cup, best rim deep bbbj cim. $40 Room Fee + $80 (incl bbbj & fs). +$20 for rim/cim. Excellent open minded services. DORIS (12pm-9pm): from Taiwan, is young & petite with loing thick black hair, 105 Lbs
  38. Annie Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ˜˜Sexy Petite Korean๐Ÿ‡ฐ๐Ÿ‡ทGirl Eva working with Sweet Beautiful Japanese New Cummer to Canada Feifei ๐Ÿ‡ฏ๐Ÿ‡ต and Sensual Pleasing Busty Coco๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ณtoday๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ˜˜Call or text ๐Ÿ“ฒ647-891-9688 or 416-291-8879๐Ÿ“ฒ
  39. EMSpa_schedule:
    Hey! Where have you been? Today (Wednesday), our amazing attendants are Carla โ€, Cici ๐Ÿ˜, Opal ๐Ÿคฉ, Sandy ๐Ÿค— and Yoyo ๐Ÿ˜. Call us at โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 479-6668 โ˜Ž๏ธ to book your favourite and head on over to 7665 Kennedy Road, Unit 4, Markham!
  40. ForeverWarden:
    Wednesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Cindy & Sasa. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups. Her massage is nice, her services will drive you wild & her finish is a dream
  41. HolidaySpa:
    Wednesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: FIONA, KIKI & CINDY. FIONA is a slim hottie with long dark hair, great melons and ass, and nice services. Kiki is very attractive, young, about 5โ€™4โ€ and 110 Lbs., slim with a banging body. Kiki is very popular for her great attitude and services. CINDY is slim & incredibly sexy
  42. SugarLoveSpa:
    Wednesday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: SARAH, SUSAN, TIFFANY & VIVI. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž SARA is a beautiful Thai lady with C Cups, 160 Cms and 50 Kgs, with a full set of services to delight you. SUSAN is a small, slim & sexy Latina girl, 5'4" & 116 Lbs, with nice boobs and ass, very versatile services.
  43. ใ™ใฟใพใ›ใ‚“:
    Top notch line up with superstars like sunny , gabby , elena , kiki , Ella and cindy. At top notch wellness
  44. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young girls are working today, young Taiwanese Victoria slime 26โ€™s and young flirty Mia 25โ€™s with curly body , pretty Ella and cute GFE Lina are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome,back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  45. luckywellness:
    Lucky Wellness Center 4379721888 295 Eglinton Ave E,Unit 7,Mississauga We had two girls today, Niko and Kiki. They were both young, pretty and cute. The massage and back massage were great.
  46. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน2 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Table Shower Sea Salt Bath Body Scrub๐Ÿ˜˜ Japanese girl Nina โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 38 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appoint
  47. DareDevil:
    ARIA WELLNESS โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธADDRESS: 360 HWY 7, UNIT #6, RICHMOND HILL,647-222-5683 โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธ(PHONES CALL ONLY, NO TEXT'N AVAILABLE) โ™ฅ๏ธTODAY'S Schedule!โ™ฅ๏ธ Loaded lineup with Beautiful Girls : Young RMT Student Helen, Sexy Busty Apple, Magical Mia and Work out๐Ÿ‹๐Ÿšด๐Ÿ’ช Babe Amy! SPECIAL PROMO 30 MINS 2 GIRLS $70 ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน**TODAY'S PICKS OF THE DAY ARE ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ HELEN AND APPLE๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ**
  48. DareDevil:
    Blackpink Wellness โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธ190 Marycroft Ave. Unit #2, Vaughan, ๐Ÿญ๐ŸฌON L4L 5Y1 (647) 395-3188. BEAUTIFUL AND SEXY GIRLS TODAY: Fun Girl Angela, New Indian Girl Radika and Beautiful Tiffany on duty๐ŸŒน.
  49. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Sami is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl Mia new Vietnamese sweetheart girl with amazing personality Tiffany She is new as MPA From Philippines Slim Body Great Massage Fun personality Bella She is Mexican Gorgeous face Natalie she is CBC/filipina mixed
  50. Sunrise Relaxation(416)916-7276:
    Tomorrow@Sunrise Relaxation Downtown: Tiffany, Vivian and Kitty will be on shift. Call (416)500-0921 for detail schedule and insight info
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