Poll Do you think the Trump insurrectionists have blown their wad?

Following the insurrection what do you think will happen in the next little while?

  • 1 The US will calm down, Trump will cause no further trouble, extremists will hunker down.

    Votes: 12 40.0%
  • 2 Trump and his acolytes will create chaos at the inauguration on January 20.

    Votes: 9 30.0%
  • 3 Extremists will go underground for a while, regroup, then start committing acts of terror.

    Votes: 5 16.7%
  • 4 A second coup will be attempted in the next week or two, this time with better organization.

    Votes: 4 13.3%

  • Total voters
    30
  • Poll closed .
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Section 7, which appeared in the first edition of the American Psychiatric Association's (APA) Principles of Medical Ethics in 1973 and is still in effect as of 2018,[9] says:


Are you claiming that doctors who write in the media without ever having examined Trump qualify for you as a "medical diagnosis" of psychopathy? Again, if so, which doctors?

It's unethical for the APA, but not for you...
Do you have trouble reading?....from my post #1246-"diagnostic practices have changed "-Bandy X Lee, a forensic psychiatrist at the Yale School of Medicine
 
Don't be ridiculous....you know how to find it....I don't work on yours and jimmydonut's demands.

You made the claim. Now back it up.


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Do you have trouble reading?....from my post #1246-"diagnostic practices have changed "-Bandy X Lee, a forensic psychiatrist at the Yale School of Medicine

Do you have trouble reading? The APA ethical guidelines are currently still in effect. They have not changed, despite what Bandy X Lee says.

People can make up their own minds about whether doctors should diagnose patients they've never seen before and whether or not the doctors who created the APA guidelines were erroneous and misguided to do so.

What's totally clear is that your claim that Trump is a "medically diagnosed psychopath" is actually based on opinions you've read in the media made by doctors who have never examined him.

APA Calls for End to 'Armchair' Psychiatry

WASHINGTON, D.C. โ€” Today, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) reiterates its continued and unwavering commitment to the ethical principle known as "The Goldwater Rule." We at the APA call for an end to psychiatrists providing professional opinions in the media about public figures whom they have not examined, whether it be on cable news appearances, books, or in social media. Armchair psychiatry or the use of psychiatry as a political tool is the misuse of psychiatry and is unacceptable and unethical.

The ethical principle, in place since 1973, guides physician members of the APA to refrain from publicly issuing professional medical opinions about individuals that they have not personally evaluated in a professional setting or context. Doing otherwise undermines the credibility and integrity of the profession and the physician-patient relationship. Although APA's ethical guidelines can only be enforced against APA members, we urge all psychiatrists, regardless of membership, to abide by this guidance in respect of our patients and our profession.

 
Do you have trouble reading? The APA ethical guidelines are currently still in effect. They have not changed, despite what Bandy X Lee says.

People can make up their own minds about whether doctors should diagnose patients they've never seen before and whether or not the doctors who created the APA guidelines were erroneous and misguided to do so.

What's totally clear is that your claim that Trump is a "medically diagnosed psychopath" is actually based on opinions you've read in the media made by doctors who have never examined him.

APA Calls for End to 'Armchair' Psychiatry

WASHINGTON, D.C. โ€” Today, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) reiterates its continued and unwavering commitment to the ethical principle known as "The Goldwater Rule." We at the APA call for an end to psychiatrists providing professional opinions in the media about public figures whom they have not examined, whether it be on cable news appearances, books, or in social media. Armchair psychiatry or the use of psychiatry as a political tool is the misuse of psychiatry and is unacceptable and unethical.

The ethical principle, in place since 1973, guides physician members of the APA to refrain from publicly issuing professional medical opinions about individuals that they have not personally evaluated in a professional setting or context. Doing otherwise undermines the credibility and integrity of the profession and the physician-patient relationship. Although APA's ethical guidelines can only be enforced against APA members, we urge all psychiatrists, regardless of membership, to abide by this guidance in respect of our patients and our profession.

Do you have trouble grasping the expanse of the Trump concern among medical professionals?..."She(Brandy Lee) formed an organization with thousands of other mental health professionals "in opposition to the American Psychiatric Association, which, with the Trump presidency, not only failed to meet the psychiatric professionโ€™s societal responsibility but inhibited individual professionals from doing so."[30] Some accuse the APA of conflict of interest, since it receives federal funding,[31] which has been increased since its actions under the Trump administration.[32] "[/B]
 
Do you have trouble grasping the expanse of the Trump concern among medical professionals?..."She(Brandy Lee) formed an organization with thousands of other mental health professionals "in opposition to the American Psychiatric Association, which, with the Trump presidency, not only failed to meet the psychiatric professionโ€™s societal responsibility but inhibited individual professionals from doing so."[30] Some accuse the APA of conflict of interest, since it receives federal funding,[31] which has been increased since its actions under the Trump administration.[32] "[/B]

Of course I totally get why they are concerned. The same reason that 81 million concerned people voted Trump out.

The APA created the DSM that is used to diagnose psychopathy in the first place. Can you grasp why the APA believes doctors who diagnose patients they have never seen are unethical?

Probably not, by the sounds of it.

We can argue about this all day long. What's not debatable is your claim that Trump is a "medically diagnosed psychopath" is very thinly based on the opinions of doctors who have never seen him...
 
Section 7, which appeared in the first edition of the American Psychiatric Association's (APA) Principles of Medical Ethics in 1973 and is still in effect as of 2018,[9] says:


Are you claiming that doctors who write in the media without ever having examined Trump qualify for you as a "medical diagnosis" of psychopathy? Again, if so, which doctors?

It's unethical for the APA, but not for you...

He makes wild claims all the time. I donโ€™t think heโ€™s used to getting checked on them.

Iโ€™ve offered him cash to prove his claims, but he canโ€™t do it.


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Of course I totally get why they are concerned. The same reason that 81 million concerned people voted Trump out.

The APA wrote the DSM that is used to diagnose psychopathy in the first place. Can you grasp why the APA believes doctors who diagnose patients they have never seen are unethical?

Probably not, by the sounds of it.

We can argue about this all day long. What's not debatable is your claim that Trump is a "medically diagnosed psychopath" is very thinly based on the opinions of doctors who have never seen him...
Are you taking Jimmyd pills......Dr Brandy and her 1000's of supporting doctors have stated the Goldwater act is no longer valid and organized themselves to make the point. She and 27 other doctors wrote a book on the dangerous Trump.....jeeez....not to mention again ..." Some accuse the APA of conflict of interest, since it receives federal funding,[31] which has been increased since its actions under the Trump administration.[32] "
 
Are you taking Jimmyd pills......Dr Brandy and her 1000's of supporting doctors have stated the Goldwater act is no longer valid and organized themselves to make the point. She and 27 other doctors wrote a book on the dangerous Trump.....jeeez....not to mention again ..." Some accuse the APA of conflict of interest, since it receives federal funding,[31] which has been increased since its actions under the Trump administration.[32] "

I wonder what they think of Biden? Of course they wouldnโ€™t be put on tv if they had anything negative to say about Joe.

See how this works, Ping Pong?


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Take a vacation jimmydonut...you have been debunked... :rolf

Debunked? Waiting for the name of the doctor who had a 1 on 1 examination of Trump, and and was able to diagnose him.


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Ah now weโ€™re getting somewhere! This โ€œdiagnosisโ€ is from when Trump was still in office. Interestingly part of Dodes' medical diagnosis is that Trump should be removed from office โ€œimmediatelyโ€ and that Trump shouldnโ€™t have access to any firearms!

I think itโ€™s pretty safe to say Trump has obliterated all kinds of ethics and norms during his time in office. The APA has been around since 1844, but it appears you feel they are some type of appendage of the Trump administration?

Certainly one ethic the Goldwater rule clearly was designed to achieve long before Trump ever showed up on the scene was the apolitical application of psychiatry. But clearly just like Trump you feel as long as your enemy is terrible enough, then the ends justify any means.

And so we differ on this. But again whatโ€™s a simple fact is that from your perspective all thatโ€™s required for a medical diagnosis of psychopathy is for any doctor who has never met the patient to go in the media and say itโ€™s so. That is precisely why the Goldwater rule exists.
 
 
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I wonder if MSNBC or CNN will be reporting this.


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Ah now weโ€™re getting somewhere! This โ€œdiagnosisโ€ is from when Trump was still in office. Interestingly part of Dodes' medical diagnosis is that Trump should be removed from office โ€œimmediatelyโ€ and that Trump shouldnโ€™t have access to any firearms!

I think itโ€™s pretty safe to say Trump has obliterated all kinds of ethics and norms during his time in office. The APA has been around since 1844, but it appears you feel they are some type of appendage of the Trump administration?

Certainly one ethic the Goldwater rule clearly was designed to achieve long before Trump ever showed up on the scene was the apolitical application of psychiatry. But clearly just like Trump you feel as long as your enemy is terrible enough, then the ends justify any means.

And so we differ on this. But again whatโ€™s a simple fact is that from your perspective all thatโ€™s required for a medical diagnosis of psychopathy is for any doctor who has never met the patient to go in the media and say itโ€™s so. That is precisely why the Goldwater rule exists.
If you read a little closer you'll notice it's the medical professionals saying trump is a danger....I am just reporting it. That said it doesn't take a medical degree to see this.
 
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    Lily Spa : Sunday Schedule โค๏ธโค๏ธ SuSu ( Asian )Slim , ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜Porn Service ๐Ÿฉท๐ŸฉทYumi 24, Philippine girl , 36EE big boobs and ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘ASS, ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹Mimi 24, Korean Slim , ๐Ÿ˜ˆbbbj , DFk ๐Ÿ”ฅDuo ๐Ÿ”ฅ,โ˜Ž๏ธ 6475318288
  30. Dreaminn:
    We are open 7 days a week: 10am to 2am Walk-ins are welcome, or call today and book your favorite dream girl ๐Ÿ‘ผ ๐Ÿ“Address: 10225 Yonge St, Richmond Hill, ON L4C 3B2 ---> Google Maps www.dreaminnwellnessspa.com ๐Ÿ“žPhone: 647-829-2983 ๐ŸŒค๏ธNewly opened spa with super spacious rooms. All rooms equipped with private showers, comfortable super wide spa beds and sofas๐ŸŒค๏ธ Sugar Taiwanese Sugar is new to Canada ,with the body of a model and face of an angel ,she is backed with unforgettable skills ,
  31. SL East Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–Sexy Sunday ๐Ÿ’œ๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: SL Richmond Hill & SL West Oakvilleโœจ Your passport to paradise with 9 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan โ€” Yui, Eva, Yoyo, Jenny, Doris, 34D Cici, Julie, Tiffany & Cocoโ€” ๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits๐Ÿ™Œ
  32. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Sophia,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament Lala,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Midi , Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage Maggie , Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry,๐Ÿ  address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ
  33. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Anika , Student pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Lvy ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Bobo , Taiwan girl DD Boobs Thai deep massage lily,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 .โ˜Ž๏ธ4379857899๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ
  34. Lilyspa1:
    Lily Spa : Sunday Schedule โค๏ธโค๏ธ SuSu ( Asian )Slim , ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜Porn Service ๐Ÿฉท๐ŸฉทYumi 24, Philippine girl , 36EE big boobs and ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘ASS, ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹Mimi 24, Korean Slim , ๐Ÿ˜ˆbbbj , DFk ๐Ÿ”ฅDuo ๐Ÿ”ฅ,โ˜Ž๏ธ 6475318288
  35. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบwelcome to wonder spaโ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,L6a4H8๏ผŒwe have 4young beautiful girls working everyday,Happy weekend,Ensuit shower available ๐Ÿ…, friendly nice girl Sunny providing deep tissue to relax message back walking hot stone and nice body slide,๐Ÿ…long hair big big boob Joey is very good looking,,amazing the end, open maid, really popular,must try๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ
  36. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Click Here Today๐ŸŒธTiffany๐ŸŒธBrandy๐ŸŒธAkame๐ŸŒธSummer Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  37. DareDevil:
    ๐Ÿฌ๐ŸญARIA WELLNESS ๐Ÿฌ๐ŸญADDRESS: 360 HWY 7, UNIT #6, โ™ฅ๏ธRICHMOND HILL,647-222-5683 (PHONES CALL ONLY, NO TEXT'N AVAILABLE) โ™ฅ๏ธTODAY'S Schedule!โ™ฅ๏ธ Loaded lineup with Beautiful Girls : New Busty Girl Faye, Ellagant Ella, Magical Mia and Work out๐Ÿ‹๐Ÿšด๐Ÿ’ช Babe Amy! BUY 10 HOURS (GET 11 HOURS) **TODAY'S PICK OF THE DAY IS ๐Ÿฌ๐ŸญFAYE๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ**
  38. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅBEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Massage
  39. Golden Flower Spa:
  40. BlueXado Therapy & Spa:
  41. Pink Flower Spa:
  42. Lilyspa1:
    Lily Spa : Sunday Schedule โค๏ธโค๏ธ SuSu ( Asian )Slim , ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜Porn Service ๐Ÿฉท๐ŸฉทYumi 24, Philippine girl , 36EE big boobs and ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘ASS, ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹Mimi 24, Korean Slim , ๐Ÿ˜ˆbbbj , DFk ๐Ÿ”ฅDuo ๐Ÿ”ฅ,โ˜Ž๏ธ 6475318288
  43. AliceSpa:
    SUNDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. AMY (10am โ€“ 9pm) is a young, petite short & slim Taiwanese, former dance instructor, firm natural B Cups, pretty face, firm natural titis, super play good, bbbj, cim, rim, dfk, all services. ASHLEY (12:30pm-9pm) is a beautiful slim Korean student, snow white skin, 5'2, 100 Lbs, natural C Cup, pink nipples, baby face & voice
  44. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young girls are working today, young Pretty Lily 25โ€™s with curve body and young fun Ivy 30โ€™s with 36DD sexy body open mind, with sexy Coco and cute GFE Ella are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome,back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  45. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young girls are working today, young sweet student 26โ€™s with curve body open mind and young fun Yoyo 30โ€™s with 36DD sexy body open mind, young flirty Michelle 25โ€™s with sexy body open mind and cute GFE Lina are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome,back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  46. HollywoodSpa:
    Sunday at ๐ŸŽญ๐—›๐—ข๐—Ÿ๐—Ÿ๐—ฌ๐—ช๐—ข๐—ข๐—— ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐ŸŽญ, 4578 Yonge St, Unit 100, North York, ON: JUDY & YUKI. โ˜Ž416-222-5554โ˜Ž JUDY is friendly and attractive. Come & give her a try. YUKI is a slim & exiting, happy lady. Nice massage & services available. When you visit ๐ŸŽญHollywood Spa๐ŸŽญ, you will be treated with tender care and your visit will be a fulfilling one. Nice Massage, Young Pretty Girls.
  47. ForeverWarden:
    Sunday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bobo, Vivian & Cindy. Bobo is a small, slim and sexy lady, petite with all natural busty melons for your enjoyment. Vivian is an attractive slim Vietnamese honey with C Cups, who can sweeten your day with daty, bj and cfs Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups.
  48. HolidaySpa:
    Sunday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: Amy & Jenny. AMY is an attractive young lady with larger breasts and a nice bottom. She has outstanding oral skills, and is very popular. Donโ€™t miss out on her special skills! Jenny has a medium build, nicely curvy with a slim waist, pretty face, and very flexible skills. Jenny will make you very happy.
  49. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Yumi๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ’‹A striking new tall gorgeous Korean model with long, flowing reddish-brown hair cascading down her back and a slender, elegant figure that exudes grace and poise. Yumiโ€™s natural confidence and allure, make her approac
  50. SugarLoveSpa:
    Sunday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ANA, CHRISTINA & JENNY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York. ANA is a young, short and sweet lady, 5โ€™1 & 105 Lbs, very tight, with a small to medium booty. Ana is a versatile honey who provides great massage, & can accommodate your needs. CHRISTINA is Spanish, C Cups, 5'3", tall & nice curves, very open minded. JENNY is sweet
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