"GENTLEMAN" an important message

[ange]

"GENTLEMAN" an important message

It is pointless for the Judge to be complaining about prices, the massage biz is saturated. Every Thomasina, Diane, and Svetlana is getting in the biz.
I even know one lady that was working full time at her regular job but was doing massages because her ex-bf racked up a $22,000 credit card bill on her.
There are many indepandant MPs that charge $45 per hour HJ included, the only way the salons can compete is with younger masseuses or with extra options.
As far as personal hygene and consideration for other people, pigs are pigs.
There are all sorts of people in our society, and the massage biz does not attract a better crowd.

 

[aguamoose]

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I'm not a massage girl, so maybe I shouldn't reply but I couldn't resist. You made a number of enlightning statements here. I'm glad to see you acknowledge what you did BTW (women with nice education, no more dumbness generalization).

But you said "tell me". Where is the question?

PS: Don't shoot me. I'm just pulling your leg

 

[Annorofah]

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I just came back from a great massage with a great girl Mei formerly of
Christine's place on St-Laurent and the fact is that if you conduct yourself
properly, there should never be a problem.

She told me how i am so nice, and uncreepy, not a slob, etc...

I don't feel targeted by what The Judge said but i do not like the fact that
she puts us all in the same boat.

EVERY masseuse that i see for the 1st time has told me how nice and refreshing
it is to get a client like me and they always ask if i workout.

Now i know that even if i was morbidly obese, they would still say i am nice
because i do not act like an asshole unless they are acting like a bitch towards
me. It's a two-way street. We all know what we hate the MPs to do and if she
does it on the 1st time, i try to give the benefit of the doubt. But when it is
exagerated on their part, i can be a pretty good SOB. I am masterful at playing
with someone's head so i don't mind doing it if it's warranted.

Fact is, like oliver, i talk to the girls. I have seen many over the years and the
majority do have the same complaints about hygiene. I hear it all the time.
They tell me i smell good and say that 75% of the guys don't! WTF. I don't
get how some don't have the common sense to be extra clean when you will be
naked with a woman.

Now for the money aspect, i will side with the girls that get ripped off cause
that is not cool. Neither is asking for FS for $20.

BUT...

Girls, girls, girls,... If you want to get paid "properly", give proper service!!!

When i tip, i take into consideration the WHOLE experience. If i got a dynamite
massage, then i consider the $50 i paid for it was fair and anything after that
is gravy and i will give the PROPER tip for it. But if i get a BULLSHIT massage,
which happens with 80% of the girls, i will consider that the $20 she is getting
for it, will come out of the service she provides after IF it's more than a HJ.

If i get a crappy massage and $60 worth of options, here's $40 baby. Next time
gimme a real massage and you'll get the whole $60. That's actually not true
because i will not be back if the massage sucks.

Girls need to understand that some of them are asking the guy to pay $120
for rubbing oil on his back and giving him a BJ. WHAT?! Do they not understand
that this is Montreal and you can get AMAZING escorts for that price? I don't
use those services as i am content with a REAL massage and good HJ or
occasional BJ but come on! I have gotten "buyer's remorse" sometimes when
i leave the massage place and realize i just spent $100 on a lousy BJ.

There will always be the stupid overtippers out there but that is the only way
they know to impress a girl. Wake up dudes! They are not going home with
you!

Again i am typing way too much but i needed to say this as it boggles my
mind at how some girls think and some guys think.

So in conclusion :

Girls

- Respect your customer if you want their respect. If they are assholes, refuse them service
- Think about the fact that the customer is out $50 even before he lays on the table. Will you give him his $50 worth if he is someone who wants NO extras?
- If you don't think your massage is worth the $50, don't ask for $80 to get nude unless you will be nude for the whole hour (standard strip club rate?)
- Don't piss off your nice customers by putting them together with assholes. Disclaimer at the end doesn't change our perception that you may be a bitch

Boys

- Your momma never told you you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar? Be nice and see what happens!

- Wash! WTF?! Wash yourself thoroughly. That means everything that can smell! Armpits, crotch, asscrack, feet and behind the ears. YES! BEHIND the ears! Brush your teeth right before leaving unless you plan on DATY. Use mouthwash then..

- Don't be stingy but for god's sake don't overtip! After the fact, you can ask the girl if she is happy with the tip. If she says yes but she isn't that's her fault! If you like the girl and plan on going back every week or two, you can bargain with her and ask her if she prefers $40 tip every week or $60 every 2 weeks. But be sure you honor that. If you say you will be a regular, be a regular.

I usually go all around until i find someone i like and stick with her until she
stops working. I will occasionally go elsewhere just to see if i'm missing anything
but i am pretty loyal once i get the right balance of good massage and good
options.

 

[qdb]

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Pr Sinister,

I agree with almost all of your post.
I too don't feel targeted at all by Judge's comments.
BUT,
it's not true that if you behave and act like a true gentleman and wash yourself thouroughly that you will automatically get respect in return.
I always shower at home and then at clinic before my massages, yet believe me I've been treated like a gum worm on more than one occasions.
Cleanliness,and behavior as well as standard tipping doesn't always garantees good service in return.
Unfortunately the lack of professionalism in many salons as well as inconsitency in service keeps me from exploring new grounds-I usually stick to my regulars now.
Too many bad apples,even the so called high stamdards clinics have a few duds,paying high prices doesn't guarantees good service either.
And now where did that judge go???
Drops a bomb and then disappears.
bye.

 

[AhManDuh]

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Where did you see her putting all guys in the same basket?(read the last line)
Where did you see her complaining about her pay?( I only read about nopay getaways: clients who don't pay at all (after receiving the service) - she never discussed the prices for options or service).
As for a very personnal approach let me draw you a picture.
It's 00:00 am or pm I'm expecting Mr.Z to come for his massage session.
My massage is therapeutic with hj as bonus( not the hj with massage as bonus) with prostate (external) stimulation. The package is 80$-that's it.
So Mr.Z is there-please come in, Mr.Z!
How do you do?
Would you like to take shower before the session? Ok. here is the towel( fresh, 100% cotton plush-like,heavy towel, here is clean shower, bodywash,shampoo, washcloth,soap etc- all the accomodations you need to feel good about taking a shower elsewhere than home)
Here you are Mr.Z on the table- me massaging you. Make youre hard,tired muscles, soft and elastic, accelarating the blood circulation in your body, make you relax for real, taking your stress away by touching you the right way on the rythm of nice zen music,talking about your problems and life if you want.As it goes we get closer to the prostate and.... oh,well, Mr.Z took a shower, but forgot to wash that part where prostate is hiding.. What do I see? There is some hair.. (yes,we do have hair there too) but there is a toilet paper of a brownish color sticking to that hair that smells not that great.
What to do? I continue the massage, trying to avoid the area, I even manage to stimulate prostate to get him more pleasure among with hj without dirtying my hands with the rests of M.Z's digestion.
I finish the massage with the same caring attitude, but something will definately be missing there. Call it chemistry if you want.
Yes, it's a part of my work,yes the guy pays 80 hard earned bucks for a bit more than one hour of pleasure, but we could surely do without that dirty ass( sorry for rudeness, you see.)
Here is another one- the same start scenario, only that everything went just great- the guy is clean all over.I take the extra oil with hot towel,offer him a glass of water that he gladly accepts. So I go to the kitchen,wash my hands and get him a glass of water. I enter the massage room to figure that my guest has left and "forgot" to pay. Here I am in the room with that damn glass of water feeling like just-thrown-by-the-window-piece-of-garbage. While I take my shower to refresh ( it's been an hour of intensive workout- guy was tall, heavy, with very scored body) I think of human kind in general and about it's worse representation in particular)
I did't get poorer that day- some guys tip me- at the end it's the same. But he did't deserve that pleasure and that total gift of myself. I want to melt under water just not to feel that bad and abused.

I don't consider myself lucky, just because I'm great at what I'm doing. The fact that some of you consider me cute-well not everybody shares that opinion: cute for one, ugly for another- I don't have to pay for my so called beauty, but I have to stimulate that with good facial expression that can only come from the inner filling ( intellectual work-is a work too). Some call me a charismatic person- you don't get born with that either- it's a work of a personnal education and autodidaction. You like my massage? It's not given either: studies and practice and work and good will and constant updating are there for something, believe it or not.
I'm not lucky- I just work hard.
If everybody would work as honestly as I do ( no matter the field), we would live in a dream society. I know it's not very modest from my part.
That was about me,- but once again, I work with a different approach.
If you consider erotic massage scene- the only thing that is different,as I've allredy mentionned is the quality of massage itself. But yet again it doesn't have to be that professionnal( do you know that simply by physical condition, not everybody can do professional massage?).
You all like beautiful, slim, thin girls to massage your musclels - a bit of a nonsens- it takes a strenght to work with one's body and strength is not always a respect of beauty canons).
Most of you, when go to clinics and salons go there for beaty and options.
As I read posts here, good massage and beauty and options in one package are more of an exception on montreal's massage scene, but yet there are hundreds of massage parlors that are kept busy.

Anyway,
the point I was going to make is that I think things like disrespect, dirtyness and low behaiviour should not be kept secret- let's discuss these things without taking it personnal.
ONLY LET'S BE POLITE. It was constructive, but the form is not the best chosen.
An open and piecefull discussion is absolutely essential in that field.

One last thing-guys ,please don't count others people money ( specially not the one's who make you feel good from time to time).
If you think that it's a greater income than your job's why don't you try it out as second job?
At least to see what it is like and how much you can make out of it?
I can tell you that with more women making better living ( if believing official stats) there is a growing market for male massagetherapists ( erotic or professionnal). With very little investment ( no makeup,or expensive fine lingery, heels or plastic surgery) you can start making big bucks by tomorrow!!!
Please consider why you wouldn't or why you would and have maybe a different look at your masso.

Bori

 

[Ahbanib4]

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I actually would..And I do.
I can make more money doing something else right now. It only would imply me traveling to Russia and live there. It would be in an office in downtown of Moscow- great money,trust me. It would actually be possible in Montreal too( I'm really multytalented person) But I'm here in Montreal, doing massotherapy and feeling great about it.
So it's zero,plus at least one( I know some other who would do too)
Honestly, I am varying my activities and have a little growing business,that has nothing to do with massage. I hope it will get bigger and bring me lot's of money, but I also plan to keep my clients, even if my income will equal theirs.
We need each other. They need my hands, I need to feel I'm making someone's happy -it's good for self esteam and personnal satisfaction .
I still will charge them for my service.
Bori

 

[COBHC]

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Hi Bori,

Why you so on the defensive?
You know you're not the target when talking about lazy services.
As for a guy working as a mp for women only,I doubt the demand is the same as for men,otherwise,I'm sure there would be many.So obviously the income would be much less.
Now as for the originator of this thread it is obvious by now that this person's intent was to stir shit.
Now once again,I repeat,as nice and polite and clean as you are,it doesn't automatically guarantees respect,good service and good massage.
Most of the top posters here,I would say are nice and clean and tip according to standards,yet they often get bad treatment,switcheroo,trimmed session,ect...
Lots of bad apples out there.

 

[Elsa84]

"GENTLEMAN" an important message

Actually you are 100% right... It doesn't guarantee it because i too have been
mistreated through no fault of my own. I should have said that being clean
and nice gives you better chances at getting good service. But like in all facets
of life, if the girl is a bitch there isn't much you can do to change that.

A lot of the owners are to blame too... Notice how everyone is 20 until you
show up and suddendly the girls look 35? hehehe... Not that i mind because
i am 34 and i am not really into younger girls. Even when i was 17 i dated
several 30+ women. I think i am the only one who calls massage places and
ask who is the oldest and second oldest there. Lots of owners are taken
aback by that...

But the best story a girl told me was when her boss told her to pretend
she was chinese when she was in fact vietnamese. The guy had specifically
asked for a chinese girl and when she went in to massage the guy, he asked
her if she was chinese to which she answered in the affirmative. Then the guy
starts speaking Cantonese to her so she looked like an idiot! She was "forced"
to do it because her boss put her in that situation. She is a very honest person
and would never think of deceiving the customer like that.

 

[New England Babe]

Ok, ok, ok…. First of all Olvier, I totally envy all the precious time you invest “trying to make your point” (to be honest I only read like two lines ‘couse I hate wasting my time)…By the way, you seem to have very serious personal conflicts:
a)Do you actually have real friends that you go out and share a great time with?
b)Is this site your best thing to do? (Not that I care)
c)Why do you react so defensive and always talk dirt about the others? Does that make you feel better about yourself? (By expressing yourself in that way is clear to many of us that your real life must be very sad and that you may be a very insecure person full of complexes. Life has obviously been hard on you, haven’t it? …You are trying to find on this site all the attention that is missing once your computer is off). For the record, I’m not trying to insult you or anything, I’m as you just making my point…

Guys I do not have to apologize for making more bucks than you (the ones that pay taxes and have a real job), lets face it, you’d kill to be a girl like us (young, with a killer body, a pretty face, an intelligent conversation, a bubbly personality that makes your day… not that I think this about myself, is what you have said about me). If you could do what we are doing, we’d have the pleasure to work together. It is not my fault that we’re making “easy money” (which so you know is not as simple as it seems, you have no idea what really lays behind of all this). You have also said that if I were really talented I wouldn’t be doing this “job”, let me tell you, risking to sound pretentious (which is what I hate the most on any person), it is because I’M ALREADY DOING SOMETHING GREAT THAT I’M DOING MASSAGES…

Guys, don’t get me wrong, first of all it is not my intention to be disrespectful, I’m only exercising my right to express myself… and all that “get real, if you don’t like jerking guys off,….” It is not about what I do, or if I like it or not and less about the money is about R-E-S-P-E-C-T from the client to the girl and vice versa. If you have had all those bad experiences with some MP (as we with certain clients) YOU ARE TOTALLLY RIGHT, I’m on your side, what I’m talking in here is about a great service, from great girls that get abused from time to time (AGIN I’m only referring to the ones who have been bad to a nice girl)…. And, please, if a guy is tipping great, it is not because he’s stupid (as I think Olvier said), he only happens to be a wealthy guy who just loved our service and is trying to be grateful…I’m not expecting everyone of you to give 100000000000$, of course not, I totally understand that every single person has a different position in life but with the same needs, that some guys work really hard to earn their living while some others play golf (and that is still not my fault, however), I KNOW THAT AND I RESPECT THAT, and it's because I understand that that I ask you to understand us as well and to be nice to us so we can be nice to you. Play the game as it is (20,60,80)… (Just for the record I had have clients who told me very gently they didn’t have enough money and I still did my job, with all the options, some had been back, some had only abused)… I got plenty of things more to say but I think it’s enough… Again, I do not meant to be rude, I’m only making my point…

PS. Aren’t we all slaves of $$$$, aren’t we all working for $$$$? My respect if you are doing some volunteer job (you are doing that for every reason but for money)…. And a gentleman do not pay for sex…Come on!!! That “gentleman” is only a fighter, yes, he’s constantly fighting is animal instinct to keep his status of gentleman… Not for nothing there are constitutional, religious, moral, etc rules

 

[Pompal 09.]

"GENTLEMAN" an important message

Actually i said it. Maybe you don't expect a HUGE tip from everyone but lots
of other girls do. Ask any guy and he will tell you of a few times where a girl
will say "I usually get $50 for a HJ". No nudity or nothing! I used to think they
were lying until i read what some people were tipping. It is true that tipping
is personal and i tend to overtip the delivery guys but they will never tell a
customer "Well i usually get $5 tip on a $20 delivery bill". Some guys will just
cave not to "seem" cheap when a girl says something like that.



Yes we are all slaves to the mighty dollar! I make good money but i still feel
i always want more!

As for "paying" for sex, i have had many relationships and i feel like i always
am "paying for sex". If she lives with me for no rent, it's like i am paying for
sex. If i buy her nice things, it's like i am paying for sex. Take her out to a
fancy restaurant, i'm paying for sex... Obviously it is not ALWAYS the case
but i feel i'm always paying for sex... sometimes the expense is not monetary
but my sanity is the one being depleted dealing with some crazy girlfriends!

 

[Lucy C]

"GENTLEMAN" an important message

Judge,

You have 2 posts yet.
1 of them you throw your weight around like a ball on a bowling alley,the other you attack the most celebrated member here.
Talk about an introduction.
We didn't ask you to apologize for making more money,but realise you're in a very good position and earn a big buck for a minimum of knowledge.
And yes,if we were in your position,some of us would do the same.
All of us guys have issues with our dayly jobs,no dream jobs exists.
Just realise that there are much less fortunate workers out there than you and that YOU chose to do what you are doing,nobody forced you,just like nobody force us to see mp's.
So if you decide to jerk off guys for 100 or so an hour,must be much better than working at wal-mart for 8$/hour,otherwise...
I also have serious issues when I read that an mp has multiple talents,that she could do many other things for a living but that she chose to do massages cause she wants to make people feel good.
Ya right,and we all go see mp's for their knowledge of the midle-east conflict.
Come on!
That said,you are more than welcome here,even though you would pass for a sad person with nothing else to do.
Nothing like a good old debate,it, food for thought.
bye

 

[Pompal 09.]

"GENTLEMAN" an important message

Boy, another massage thread that is getting out of hand! Here are some of my thoughts on this subject:

Judge's initital post has lots of truth to it: some guys have no conception of what good hygiene is and they are cheap as hell excepting full service for next to nothing. Her delivery, however, leaved much to be desired. It did come across as if she was complaining about the majority of the clients, even though she clearly wasn't. In her latest post, she also shows signs of immaturity: easy money now does not mean your financially set for the rest of your life. You, and other SPs & MPs would be wise to save your "easy money."

Let's think about this subject carefully. You can rent a room at the Chablis and pay $160/hour for an SP that can offer you full GFE services, meaning DATY, BBBJ, DFK and all those other lovely acronyms. Total cost with no tips will be $210 (50$ for the room and $160 for the service). It's even cheaper for out-of-towners that charge a nice hotel room to the corporate account.

Now, let's say you go to an incall. The typical cost there is $120/hour but this does not include extras. Let's say you get an SP that does provide extras for $40. Total cost is $160.

Now, let's say you go to massage parlor. You pay $40-$60 up front for the massage and if you want a Thai option, you need to fork over another $80. You've just blown $140. Moreover, in most cases, the massages are laughable and most ladies do not provide a BJ, access to the Y or any kissing whatsoever. There are exceptions but I am telling you the overwhelming majority of the cases.

Admittedly, my analysis is incomplete but bear with me. Most of the ladies at incalls are pretty restrictive and the majority of these ladies are not going to win any beauty contest. A lot of MPs are much better looking women than most incall SPs and even most outcall SPs (I wish Kim from Kama and a few other MPs were SPs).

My point is that once you've paid $140, you're talking serious money on a relative basis. Some ladies are worth it but most are not worth it. In my opinion, you're better off saving to meet a beautiful and service-oriented SP that can provide you with a range of sexual options, including an erotic massage.

"But General, I do not like meeting SPs; I just enjoy a rub & tug once in a while." No problem, so do I. This week I drove by a place on Rene-Levesque, behind the Children's hospital and decided to call (I think it is called Millenium).

The lady running the place is an older Russian lady. She started massaging me but told me that the younger lady would finish me. That young lady's name is Lisa and she works there on Wednesday. She is Ukrainian, cute but not drop-dead gorgeous. However, she offered me the best massage in my life! She studied massotherapy in the Ukraine and it showed. I told her to start working at a regular massage place and "you could make a fortune." She also has great inter-personal skills even if you need to speak slowly for her to understand you.

Honestly, the massage was so phenomenal that when she flipped me over and started playing with my pecker, I was too relaxed to get a stiffy. I told her that I do not want a HJ because your massage was unbelievable. I paid $40 up front and tipped her $60. Was this too much? Probably but she was worth every penny. I will see her again just for massages because she is sweet and in a league of her own in terms of massaging.

I have also met with ladies at spas that are just money-hungry, immature idiots that think all the clients are easily manipulated because they're naked. The same goes for some SPs. I will not cut my tip ($80 thai is $80 even if it sucks), but I will never repeat with them.

Some indies are well worth the money. Maylee is exceptional even if she's still mad at me and ignoring me. I have only spoken with Borissa but I can tell she's worth meeting. She was mature and professional over the phone and very courteous.

I know this is a long post but I am trying to give you guys an idea of how you should spend your money wisely. You shouldn't take Judge's criticism personally but be careful with your hygiene and do not be cheap if you receive outstanding service. Not with an MP and not with an SP.

As far as SPs or MPs, don't take the clients for chumps that you can manipulate. Don't expect tips just because you strip and pass some oil on our backs. This is a service industry and if you want repeat clients - especially the nice clients - treat them with great care.

GG

 

[Sour Gummy worms is back!]

"GENTLEMAN" an important message

Well put, GG. My feelings exactly.

 

[Pompal 09.]

I gonna post my reply in french sorry but when I read some stupid thing I loose my english....

Le point c'est pas de tipper ou pas tipper, le point c'est que trouver une masseuse qui a du bon sang a montreal c'est beaucoup plus difficile que trouver une escorte qui donne un bon service. Je suis tanné des masseuses qui ne masse pas... Si the Judge est probablement frustrée parce que ya des filles qui font plus de $$$ que elle. Moi j'ai pas de problème à tipper quand mon expérience a été au DESSUS de mes attentes, vous savez au moment ou vous aller sortir du salon de massage en vous disant 'WOW'. Je run un studio de webcam xxx pour certains sites americains et des fois j'ai des filles qui viennent travailler et qui voudrais faire des millions en faisait quasiement rien. C'est la même chose dans les massages si ya des filles qui s'attendent à des tips bien qu'elles fassent un peu plus que 'flatter' le dos des clients et une crosse à 10$ d'une prostituée sur la rue Ontario.

D'un autre coté c'est sur que ya des clients TATA et imbéciles, qui puent meme apres avoir pris une douche, etc... pis eux (surtout) faut pas qui s'attendent à des miracles non plus. Si la fille voit que le gars essaye de dealers le thai ou peu importe les options pour sauver 10$, dans sa tête à elle le client c'est un cave. Dans mon opinions à moi aussi d'ailleurs à moins que la fille demande 100$ pour un thai mais à ce point là j'irais voir a receptioniste me plaindre mais pour éviter tout ça c'est bien simple:

-Lorsque vous arriver au salon dites vos attentes à la receptionniste. Example: Je veux une fille qui donne de vrais massage pas juste me tripoter le dos. اa va jusqu'à combien les options? (tenir compte que le Thai est le plus cher). Etc... Je suis sûr qu'un des problèmes est que certains gars ici sont pas capable de mettre leur attentes claires AVANT la session de massage mais qu'après ils sont bon pour venir bitcher ici. Before paying anything be specific into what you want and that way everything gonna be easier for everyone.

Wilko

 

[Uhg.......]

"GENTLEMAN" an important message

Wilko,

This is important advice not just for when you see MPs but SPs as well. What are your expectations? Do you want a HJ, thai, full GFE, etc.? Be clear on what you expect prior to meeting with them and do not be shy to tell someone that you were disappointed with their service.

I once told an MP that she was a joke because she called me cheap for tipping her $80 for the thai option. Her service was a joke and I let her know it after she insulted me. Usually, I prefer leaving quietly and chalking it up to a loss. Anyways, that MP is gone and I cannot even remember her name.

GG

 

[HavinFun]

"GENTLEMAN" an important message

I understand we are not all same but lets say your a MP and 1 client over 2 tell you: You suck! After couple time I'm pretty sure she woud leave the business or if she's a bit intelligent improve her service. But there's people that wont change anything you tell them... Best thing is to do what we feel the better at a certain moment.

But I'm pretty sure that if people down here would ask the good questions to receptionist, agency operator etc... there would be at least 50% less negative reviews. Now even into incall and massage we can get 'presentation' this is not only to shake hands and see the girl but clients can ask questions at this moment also.

Cheer!

 

[Madeleine *Bambi Eyes* <3]

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Cosme,you ask me why I am somuch on defensive, like if what is said on the board is not of my concern.
It is.
Even if you try to put me aside for maybe valuable reasons, I am a part of this, likewise all other girls, no matter the kind of services they provide.
And yes, I feel insulted for one as if I was insulted myself. And you guys do insult. None of the replies to the initial post was insultfree toward the girls particularly and in general.
And I take it as I see-it's not to be tolerated.
If your goal to make me shut up-it is not going to work.
I worked in clinics, side by side with girls of allorigins and intellectual level(such an important thing it seems). I know for sure that real bitches are very rare.True gems of their kind.
Yet this word comes across here way too often in my opinion.
Do not bring as down!!
Us is me and others.
There could be exceptions for badserviice and all- like anywhere in service industry( some waitresses should stay home in order to cause less harm).
There is one thing you should know:It takes a generosity of spirit, nice personnality and courtoisy to do what most of us do even to "jerk you off for 100$ an hour". You have no idea what it costs to be a masseuse-something no money can reward.You don't believe it? Think of it in other terms- would you let your girlfriend or your so lived wife( if you have any of the above) to work in a massage parlor after all that you know about the industry?
These gilrs do and they offer you what your girlfriends or wifes( once again even unexistent) don't: they give you back your humanity.
I'm very sorry if you lived bad experiences with some masseuses: for that my greatest apologies in the name of all the good providers- yet you are here to talk about your unhappy experiences.
Here was her generalised bad experience and her point, but you find nothing better but to throw stones her direction and mine and other MPs as well. As a conclusion I can only make a constatation of a very sad thing: you don't want to know anything about the other side, and providers don't really have a place to raise their voices, to be heard-it does not improve anything for none.
Very sad.
Bori

 

[tmatme]

I like your points Wilko-it starts to sound objective in this thread.
J'aime bien vos commentaire,Wilko-ça donne plus d'objectivité à cette rubrique, et c'est plaisant à lire, finallement.
Bori

 

[dan 1]

"GENTLEMAN" an important message

Hello,

After you increased your price to 80 , you are trying very hard to justify that and talking lot about the money in all boards ...

Are you joking you can get the same money you are getting in massage is possible in a office at Montreal ? Do you know how much an IT Manager can get in Montreal?

You have multi talented and can make a lot of money , but still you are doing massage ? Do you think or proud of you by saying this ? From this ,Are you coming to say that you are doing great service to the humanity ?

As Daringly said in this thread its all about money... If you are not getting a good MONEY in this business , Office files will be better than Assholes ..

Why there is a HJ in the session ? Because it is the way to get clients..that is the way to get Money ... More money ... But you will say that you can get the same in a office... Funny and joke of the year.

I will BET you , If you really have GUTS , stop providing HJ in your massage session , then see what happens? Your phone will be in a long rest...

 

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"GENTLEMAN" an important message

Where in my posts did i insult the judge or any other girl? And Gentle2her's
posts? You get mad because you perceive us to be generalizing yet you do
it to us. Nobody is trying to bring YOU down. I am not trying to bring anyone
down.

As for working side-by-side with all these girls, do you go with them in the
room with their customer? How do you know what transpired in said room?
It's a case of He Said, She Said. But the beauty of the board is that it is
He Said, He Also Said, So Did He, and Him, and Him, etc... That kind of
removes the doubt when 12 guys, supposedly of different backgrounds, social
groups, ethnicities and economic ladders see the same girl on different days
and different times of day and they all say the same thing. Good or bad. If
everyone says Borissa is great, i believe them even though i didn't have the
pleasure of meeting you yet (i live 5 minutes from you). If everyone says
Christine (The owner of Clinique St Ange) is a liar, i take is as gospel.


I manage a major helpdesk and i can tell you that i have had a lot of employees
that are great people, fun, sweet and all of that when they are not answering
the phones but i have had to take them aside and talk to them about their
attitude towards our customers. Complete Jekyll and Hyde! Now these people
are HIGHLY trained to answer specific questions and they need to work on
their customer skills.

Now if the massage girl isn't even trained or she gives a lousy massage, we
will come here and bitch. It is the purpose of the board. If praises are in order,
i will give them but if they aren't, i will let people know. Look at my post history
and see if i am always bitching. I don't post often because if it has already
been said that the service was great or lousy, i don't feel the need to repeat
it unless there is skepticism.

Another thing you need to know is that human nature is such that we will let
people know when we are not satisfied with a service but rarely do when it is
adequate. I don't remember the exact numbers but it was something like if you
get slightly bad service, you will tell 10 people and if you get OUTSTANDING
service, you tell 2 people. If the service is just adequate you don't tell ayone.