godamn why is it always `closed` as soon as someone makes a good point?

I cant understand why this is so contentious..

Change 'going rate' for 'average'. Now whats the problem.

If you pay far less than the average your being cheap / frugal.. If you pay far more then the going rate your generous / stupid.

Whats a struggle to understand here ?? Standard bell curve stats..
 
Well, sometimes I used them...and sometimes not.

I guess, a case of "gibbon take". 55555:intello:
 
What about a Gibbon working as a BG? Sure LT prices might be reasonable (say a bunch of bananas), but big hiv risks from bites and scratches.:oh:
 
Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Who is the exploited and who is the exploiter? Who is the hunter and who is the prey?

I can remember some time back a BM making a comment about the "lone sexual predators" who come to LOS(is it better if you're part of a pack?). And when I was in LOS, walking up and down the sois checking out the girls, I sometimes thought of that comment, and laughed to myself. Because I sure as hell never felt like a predator. Quite the contrary, I felt like the prey. Those girls are pros, most of them. They have a lot more experience than you or me(in most cases).

Sure, a lot of them don't really want to have sex with you. But nobody makes them. They are providing a service, just like anyone else. You think I like sitting around in this office, working all day? Some of my clients, I would just as soon wring their frigging necks as have to smile and listen to their BS one more time. But I do it. For the money. And the girls do it for the money. Some of my clients are pretty good folks, and I don't mind doing business with them at all. It becomes a case of mixing business with pleasure. You get the job done, and if you can enjoy each other's company, have a drink togehter, a laugh, and a meal, so much the better. And it's the same with the girls, as some will enjoy your company, and some won't so much. But in the end, they are earning their living, just like the guy who is stuck in the office in front of a computer screen all day, except maybe they get to have a little more fun than him along the way.

If you try to get out of paying, that is exploitation, unless you are really serious about having a LT relationship with the girl, and all the responsibilities and expenses that go along with that. But if you pay them a fair sum, which could be a 1000 or more, and maybe even in a some cases less(whatever happened to 500 being the going rate for ST - still is on Beach Rd., Pattaya), then good enough, it's silly to talk about that being exploitation.
 
Now youv'e got me thinking cos there was this bg one time in Band Camp, she could hold a pencil with her feet and was half decent in the gym at the parrallel bars?? Hmmm ???
 
But is there a tangible reason that 1000 is the going rate?

Is it roughly a 100bht an hour for a typical 10 hour LT that the BG/Monger union agreed on? Is it just the fact that the 1000bht note is what is expected regardless of the fgn xch? Is the Future Value of pussy dividends discounted in the price? Or is it just a nice round number?
 
Heres a little question which I would like people to consider honestly.

What if the so called `going rate` jumped tommorow from 1,000 bath to 10,000? (I know its not going to happen but please bear with me as I`m trying to make a point).

Would all board members who indulge in p4p continue to pay? (after all its the `going rate` and the girls need it).

Or would they haggle? Or would they change their holiday destination to somewhere nearby with cheaper rates?
 
Yeah but the really important question... Did the Gibbon wear one ???
 
i think if there was a "sudden jump" to that amount not many people would pay it..so some of the girls would drop it to what it was before the jump to get punters who would not pay the 10 grand!..and why am i replying to this...i dont know. i think people pay the "going rate" for the very fact that it is the "going rate"...make sense? apologies if the whole p2p scene is a bit complicated for you...5555555555555
 
Sometimes, if a girl asked for 1500, and I offered 1000, she would say, "Why you not pay 1500?" Good question, fair enough. And I would explain to her that I was there for 5 months, tell them I like to find a girl I can go with every day, and in five months, that would be over 225K Baht, then hotel, food, drinks, entertainment, and odds and ends on top of that, all the while with no paycheck coming in. So, sorry, but not being a rich man, that was more than I could do. If a bloke is just here for a couple weeks, then no problem for him, but that is not me. So if you want to go with me, I only pay 1000.

They would listen to what I said, and, more often than not, say, "OK. I understand. No problem. You pay BF, let's go!"

But I did pay 1500 to gogo girls, since they were already discounting from 2000, and seemed not as picky about who they went with(e.g., me), than a beer bar girl of the same caliber. It was difficult for me to find girls in the beer bars, who met my standards, but easy to do so in the gogos, so , as I saw it, I was paying for the extra convenience. However, I never went with a gogo girl for more than a few days(and then I didn't pay a BF), because I wasn't willing to consider a LT arrangement at 1500 per.
 
You just have clocked over 5000 posts, congratulations on that one by the way! So I am sure you have seen it all. But that does not mean that everybody else here has. Yes they can search for old postings but many want to participate in the discussion rather than just lurking. I would venture that apart from the core member group this forum has a relatively high turnover rate for active posters and, to a lesser extent, members so for many people things are "new".

At any rate, there is obviously something as an average price for LT. I would however seriously doubt that that price is 1000 BHT. I would think that 1000 BHT is more like the "informed rate", the rate expats and informed BM's pay. As has been mentioned before some BG's are lucky in that they often get (much) higher rates from perhaps newcomers or generally people who simply do not know the informed rates or people who simply want to be generous. It is like people buying fake Rolexes, I am frequently amazed at what people are willing to pay for them, they just don't know the prices people are willing to sell for. On the other side I doubt there are many rates that go far under 1000 BHT for LT. So that implies that average is probably higher than 1000 BHT.

As to inquire what is a fair rate, what is that going to prove? Is is still just an opinion right? If 98% of the people think that 1000 BHT LT is fair some may still disagree with that opinion. Some may think it is 2000 and others may think it is 500. Who cares? It is a personal decision and if the price is freely agreed upon I really do not understand what is there to make a fuss about. Why call those people names, try to ostracize them or even delete their postings?

In my opinion very few things in life are fair. I think it is rather inappropriate to use the term 'fair' when talking about paying someone to have sex with with. I think there is nothing fair about it, I am the guy with the money and the BG is there because she does not have many other choices. That does not mean she cannot have a good time, I have seen so many situations where the BG is enjoying it as much as I do or even more. :)

To me there are all kinds of good reasons not to negotiate a price. If you have to negotiate hard it kind of spoils it a bit already. Not making money an issue is often the way to be more relaxed with each other. I can imagine that I could do some hard negotiation for LT, say 500 BHT. But would the lady be happy? I can imagine that it would negatively impact her performance in bed and generally her attitude towards me.

Also another point, and perhaps some forget about that, is the level of attraction the lady has for the potential client. A twenty year old BG might just be more interested in going with a 20 to 25 year old guy than someone who is 50+. Would it be fair if she quotes the young guy a lot lower than the 50+ guy? I think it has nothing to do with fairness. You can negotiate but the BG ultimately sets the price, accept it or walk away.

But the point of the topic is basically does it make sense to "kick and name call" those who negotiate a lower rate, or to accuse those people of having low morals. That, I think, does not make any sense for it lacks a sense of relativism, one monger accusing another monger of having low morals.
 
Dupes, as Lil sensibly posted, I just changed the word 'going' to 'average' in your above post, have you answered your own questions now???
 
You are of course right George it wouldnt happen for the reasons you stated, but its an exercise in `what if`.
 
Tangible reason ?? Supply and demand based on the earning power in the local economy..

Is there a tangible reason why prawns cost 500 baht a kg ?? They seem to go up some times seasonally.. As the cost of production increases some of those costs are passed on to the purchasers.. Exactly the same.

1000 baht is a low average.. In a way a minimum that any less than is well 'under' market.. Its also a round number and single note.. From my experiences its a kind of baseline minimum that most beer bar girls would be happy to take, any less and its usually not willingly taken in the context of one night P4P..
 
Everyone to there own, jb, but personally I found the gogo girls disapointing. I had far better success with bg`s. Each to their own.
 
The fact is tho, that there are choices.. There are jobs out there.. In fact there seems a constant need for reliable staff in most of the businesses I talk to.. And in fact the rates that many farang businesses pay to retain the good / hardworking ones is a lot higher than many (me at least) think.. Bee had a job just waiting tables at 12k plus tips (3 - 5k) per month.. I know hotel staff making 12 - 15 with sidelines on top. A girl I know with some smarts has a enough income to be buying land and saving quite a lot without ever taking P4P.

The fact is many many Thais are not good employees.. They are unreliable, late, unconcientious, Thais also live for the now and value fun possibly more than westerners... Investing time into projects doesnt appeal to them much in my experiences.

Hence being a BG is the easiest job, it allows them to sleep all day, drink and party.. Sure it has its downsides but I think the more I look at it the more I see it as thier choices and less that they are forced into this life they do not willingly choose.
 
oh jesus cotambear...lifes too short..haha.
 
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  29. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : New Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Doris ,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Midi ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament Lala,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage Maggie, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,๐Ÿ  address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  30. Moneylee:
    Full season Wellness center: Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Connie , Student big boobs buttocks Vicky ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Anjoo , young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Linda ,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  31. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Today๐ŸŒธRebecca๐ŸŒธClaire๐ŸŒธFran๐ŸŒธEly๐ŸŒธJazmin Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  32. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Meet๐ŸŒธAlisa๐ŸŒธTina๐ŸŒธValentinaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  33. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน3 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ New girl Ivy big boobs 36DD ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜Hot and sexy body, super body slide, very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Suki and Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in the back door with plenty of parking spaces
  34. lotushubspa:
    Dear customers, Lotus Spa is located at 10737 Yonge St unit13. The girl who works today is named Anna๐Ÿ’‹Tina๐Ÿ’‹Mia๐Ÿ’‹. We have massages from Taiwan, China and Korea for you. First-class service. Come and try it quickly๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ’‹Please contact 9052375885๐Ÿ’‹ or SMS 4163565876๐Ÿ’‹
  35. Sunrise Spa:
    ๐Ÿ˜˜ We have a wonderful Asian spa in downtown Toronto ๐Ÿ˜˜ 302 Adelaide St W, 2nd Floor ๐Ÿ˜˜ Today is Coco, Caribbean Sophie and Kitty ๐Ÿ˜˜ 416-916-7276
  36. hiyamickey:
    7 girls working at Reinella wellness, 19 years Japanese girl Hannah, 20 years old Japanese girl Amanda, Angela, Lulu, Sasha, Queenie, Ella @ 6262 hwy7 unit #1 Vaughan โ˜Ž๏ธ๏ผš905-851-4888
  37. Sparkling Spa:
    โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅSEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Todayโ€™s Schedule isโ€ฆ๐Ÿ”ฅ Foxy -๐Ÿ”ฅYour new addiction at Sparkling Spa! A tall 5โ€™7โ€ sexy Korean girl with a wi
  38. Lily Spa:
    โค๏ธ KAJAL, ELENA, CINDY and KK are here today for your massage needs โค๏ธ Lily Spa โค๏ธ 2190 McNicoll โค๏ธ Scarborough โค๏ธ M1V 5M2 โค๏ธ (647) 531-8288 โค๏ธ
  39. #203MoMo&Beauty:
    MoonMoon spa/416 887 8801/8131Yonge st #203 Turkish Persian girl and Asian girl today
  40. AliceSpa:
    SATURDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough 416-298-0898 [/color] 3 Top Girls Today at Alice Spa: *New today, NANCY: is a young, petite & busty JAPANESE cutie. Nancy is short with a small body, pretty babyface, AV Star type. MAGGIE (10am-9pm) (1pm-9pm) is young pretty & petite. Short & super slim, busty HK student, great massage
  41. AmoreSpaEtobicoke:
    AMORE SPA 127 Westmore Drive, Unit 106C Etobicoke, ON M9V 3Y6 โ˜Ž 437-688-2407 โ˜Ž Saturday at AMORE SPA: CHERRY & MIA. CHERRY is a proven superstar, Slim Asian with a pretty face, all natural A or B Cups, long nipples, slim waist & small round bum. Her services are legendary. MIA is a young 27 JAPANESE girl, curvy, good massage bbj cim, nice and open minded.
  42. ASPA:
    SATURDAY at ๐€ ๐’๐๐€: Jenny, Rachel & Tracy. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ JENNY is a sexy Asian honey, about 165 Cms., slim to medium build, beautiful natural 36Cโ€™s, long sexy legs & big hips, good massage & excellent services. Jenny has sexy smooth skin and a very good personality.
  43. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Apple๐Ÿ˜˜ - Brand new girl from Taiwan ju
  44. HolidaySpa:
    Saturday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธAMY & NANA. AMY is an attractive young lady with larger breasts and a nice bottom. She has outstanding oral skills, and is very popular. Donโ€™t miss out on her special skills Nana is a slim and very sexy Korean lady, very pretty and accommodating. Come and try, you will like. ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…HOLIDAY SPA๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด
  45. SugarLoveSpa:
    Saturday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: LUNA, SARA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž LUNA is a slim, VERY PETITE and capable Vietnamese beauty nice natural 34C Cups. Luna can do everything. SARA is a beautiful Thai lady with C Cups, 160 Cms and 50 Kgs, with a full set of services to delight you. TIFFANY is amazing slim petite
  46. Sunrise Health Centre:
    ๐Ÿซฆ Sasa is here Today! ๐Ÿ“ž๐Ÿ“ฒ (647) 325-8086 ๐Ÿซฆ Sasa is Young Pretty Chinese Girl ๐Ÿ’„ We have Hot & Sexy Girls Every Day. ๐Ÿ’‹ They all do Extra Services & are Very Open-Minded ๐Ÿšถโ€โ™€๏ธ๐Ÿšถโ€โžก๏ธ Walk-Ins Are Always Welcome! Unit 27, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill
  47. New Oriental Health Centre:
    ๐Ÿซฆ Yoyo & Nayla are in today ๐Ÿ“žCall ๐Ÿ“ฒ Text: (647) 381-2688 ๐Ÿ’„Yoyo is a Very HOT n' Sexy Asian. ๐Ÿ‘ Nayla is a Tall, Young, Beautiful & Curvy Spanish Girl. ๐Ÿ’‹ All Our Girls Provide Lots of E X T R A S & are Extremely Open-Minded ๐Ÿค— We're Open from 8am til Late Everyday! Drop in to Unit 26, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill.
  48. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young beautiful girls are working today, young naughty Yoyo 30โ€™s 36DD with big buttocks open mind and small cute EFG Lina , pretty Ella and young sweet slime Sophia 30โ€™s are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North YorK
  49. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Eva๐Ÿค—๐Ÿ˜˜Another new addition to the Annie Spa line up!! Eva is a sexy young massage girl from Taiwan ready to showcase her talents. Her touch combines precision and intuition, offering a deeply immersive and soothing experience. E
  50. See You Health Center:
    Suki From Taiwan, sweet girl Sexy tight body amazing C cups with Those incredible nipples Sami Gorgeous Model Type CBC Vietnamese School Girl Judy is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl โ˜Ž๏ธ416-988-2950
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