In dire need of some sound advise...

[Nick Jonas <3]

No you are wrong, he will NOT know if the baby is his just by looking to see if its asain or 50/50. What about all the other farangs? Maybe she slept with one of them. sorry but you have to consider it, the stakes are high.

I dont believe you can see the mother and father in a baby anyway, it is too difficult to tell. Babies just look like babies. A DNA test is an absolute must to gain your peace of mind!

 

[Slayer]

Yes Tarzan, of course, why did I not think of that. If you have a good attitude the draconian taxation will suddenly fall to normal levels, monopolies that are run by the state will be broken up and allow for free trade like the rest of the world, shopping centers and international chains will suddenly pop up all over the place, little old blond ladies who tell friends adopted by swedish parents that know no other life will stop making racist comments toward them, people will suddenly be less judgemental and conformist, prices will fall into line with the rest of the world and you won't be made to feel like a criminal when you buy alcohol from the STATE store, pluralism will be acceptable and the failure of the welfare state will be confessed and changed, the moral superiority attitudes excercised by politicians and lay people alike will cease to be and sweden will realise like every other country it too is fallable and not always right, and feminazis that rule the press and political system will suddenly disappear. Wow, attitude can do a lot!

Now back on topic Tarzan, since everyone else on this thread seemed to stay there!

 

[Gabriella]

I am with Tarzan here....

Very simple critisism.......

First not every country is perfect...But Scandanavia is a role - model for many things!

Just saw a documentary last week. Yes things are expensive, but I did see much more nature then in Belgium...... Also people earn much more, so it is possible to pay for many things too! And am I mistaken, do you not get a very good social security.....?

When in Europe, Scandinavia we see Thailand we think that it is great! Just as Thai people dream to go to "Farang country", where everybody is rich have a car and a beautiful home. For us Thailand is cheap, but you must have a damn good position to earn money there to pay what we got over here! And if you are Thai, the buffolo dies, worse you got injured yourself, no operation is possible if you don't got the tunes to pay the hospital-bills!

Many limbs have been remove from Thai bodies, because there was no money to treat the injured part! But hey, we with our money earned in our country, everything is soooo cheap in Los.

As you know I had a Thai restaurant in Antwerp, so I moved around Thais who lived in a foreign country. Now I have to be honnest on this, there iS a small Thai community in Antwerp, so people can have a bit interaction.

Generally all the Thais I met were doing fine. Of course a woman married to a "bad farang", would have more trouble then being married to a good one!
They keep the same attitude sometimes as in Thailand. "Live the day". That IS sometimes difficult when you are employing them, because they have no worries to loose their job!

It is indeed more difficult in towns with no other Thai people, especially when the weather is bad! But then again it also depends on the partner what he is willing to do to make feel the Thai person better!

If I would have plans to marry a Thai girl, I would see where I wanted to live too. I would have liked the adventure to go to Thailand, but if you have no financial meanings to start with, maybe this is even more difficult as at home...

And again EG, when you get a bit critisized here, just be relax and answer a humouristic way! You cannot demand that all this lads agree with you!

 

[Finnegan Vegan Again]

Yes. There is always a chance that the baby is not yours, or that she is not pregnant....

But if you are serious about her, ways to find out. Now how did you meet this girl? You have the impression she had other "farangs" before? Was she easy to go to bed......?

Now I do not know for Laos-girls. The girls we meet in phuket are the kind of girls who knows how things work. They see a lot and know what the scene is about. Your girl is working in a factory, not in a bar.

And don't forget, having a baby of a farang is a shame, when the farang doesn't show up anymore. The people will accept you though if you clear the situation!

 

[AMiR]

EG - the Denmark rant is a tad 'off topic'. This is phuket-info.com not denmark-info.com.

 

[BRET69ER]

Now im not trying to flame or insult you, but after reading your first few sentances, i looked to check your age in your profile bit, as i have often thought of the same thing happening to me at this young age! But when i looked, it said 22, not 24 like you claim in your actual thread. So is this just a mistake or are you making it up as u go?

On the issue of abbortion! In my view, if the baby is yours and there is no real major problem with it (i.e. major handicap that will have a massive impact on its life!), then they is no option but to keep it! It may 'hurt' your family, but you should of thought of that BEFORE you slept with the girl! So then its up to you to support her where ever she is from! Or take her back to your country, if its viable, and help raise the child from there!

Of course ignore my advice as its only mine! But this is my opinion, which u asked us for!

 

[Musicisthebest]

Tintin, I am sure you did see a documentary about the fabulous healthcare and ss system...did they mention the founder of swedish social medicine died of cancer and advised his family and everyone to get private insurance because the system doesn't work? The myth of scandinavians earning more is another one the propoganda machine churns out so successfully. There is beautiful nature in Sweden, and many nice things, but the welfare state is a failure and the only reason it still exists is because of two main groups that vote religiously socialist and allow our paternalistic leaders to play big brother. The reality is that sweden has europe's highets taxes and the consumer return is not all that good, nothing compared to France for example. Add to that 25% VAT on all products, deductibles for both medical care and medicine, and the ladder tax system which aims to punish high earners(robin hood taxation) and you then have sweden! I am always amazed at how good a job the government does in convincing the world, most of which have never been to sweden, of what a utopia it is...it isn't.

Sorry for going off topic on this one!

 

[Masrya Tool El 3omr <3]

I am staying a bit "off topic" for a moment!

I believe you egt, but wich country has it perfect! I lived in Belgium and now in France. I thought that Belgian taxes were way to high, they are btw.

In France, prices of goods are much higher, taxes are higher and incomes much lower then in Belgium. I have became a poorer man to come here and as a foreigner I made such a good investements that I am starting to get in trouble now....

But, you can discuss so much as you want wich system is the best! Although I lost a lot money coming here, I did not forget why I chose to come here and not Thailand, or stay in Belgium (so this is not so off topic after all!).

I am away of the traffic-jams, pollution (my youngest daughter had a lot of problem from the dirt of the industry regarding her longs), the greyness of Belgium/bad weather.

A lot of Westernes, the one with enough brains or money, have freedom to make choises, like nobody in the world!

Every person should decide where he think he can find his "happyness" .

Living in Thailand as a Thai is nice because they got a very good attitude. But if something serious happens to you, I think you are well more protected over here! And as you are living in Thailand right now, you should be the first to know that LOCALS live wit an average of 4.000 Bath /month. And NO social security!

 

[ahhao]

This is a very public place to discuss a very very serious topic (and its 7am)..

The first thing I must say is any man that does not look after his own offspring is not worth the title of being a man and I have fallen out with many guys back in the 'control' of europe asking me how to avoid the CSA..'If' this baby is yours (??) there is a world of responsibility that I (personally) am far too much of a child in a mans body to deal with.. How could you walk away and spend the rest of your life not knowing.. I dont know, I guess I could not, child that I am...

First thing, decide in your own mind what you are prepared to do.. Do you feel enough heart to stay with her ?? If not do not, then do not make make any charade or communicate anything other than your true feelings (nearly every long term girl I know has a kid back home she is 'working' to support) and I have had very frank conversations with girls who have deliberately taken this on simply because they know the man was 'soft' (or strong) enough to not walk away...

Secondly as the idiot Reagan said, 'Trust but verify' make sure that a paternity test is performed as soon as possible after birth, its cold and hard but so is life.. Other than that there is not much more to say.. Despite your age, being a father happens (mine was on the lamb and did not need me) and I dont think any of us (boys in mens bodies) are really 'ready' for it..

Life is a strange thing, I dont believe that a collection of cells is 'alive' but I know that my grandfather (being part of the rotary / High Ranking army / British Legion / Masons / etc) wanted me aborted when my teenage mum got up the stick with a gypsey from the wrong side of life (and made her so poor that its hard to understand 'family' in the way I feel it).. No one knows what life leads to...

One of the hardest things I ever did is what I am going to advise you.. Tell her you will give no support.. Tell her you are history and gone.. Dont give her a hint of the way into falang life (cause I have seen it so many times with men with jai dee / good hearts).. seem as cold as you can.. Offer to pay for a termination.. keep a poker face at all times..

BUT.. If she bears your child into this world, you have no other option than to stand up and do what you must, you child would then deserve financial and emotional support.. One of my better early 20's irish mates used to party in Holland but 20 - 30% of his paycheck went back to the girl he got up the duff in his home village.. Mistake maybe, but he was man enough to make sure that he would not run away from his genetic code or the woman that trusted him that night.. I respected him so much more despite the changes he had to make in his life...

Here family and children are so much cheaper (but you are also very young).. It does always annoy me that both male and female have the ability to protect against 'mistakes' until the moment that sperm meets egg.. All of a sudden a woman has all the power and control (I do understand its her body, but from my perspective I could never walk away into the sunset), at that point (in Europe) she can decide if she wants government assistance, or decide if she wants to take a % of a mans earnings and lifestyle (financially) without his input, for years to come.. At the moment that egg meets sperm the man is not an equal in the descsiosn making process, he is merely a support stucture backed by government control (maybe not enough feel the compulsion to provide.. who am I to know or judge)... That does not happen here but if you have an ounce of charechter 'if' the baby is yours you have no other choice but to be its father..

Trust but verify..

 

[Premier Lady]

Moving on. At present I´m thinking a lot how her parents will react, what they will say, do and think - in short : the societal ramifications.
Now, I´ve read a lot about Luk Kreung babies in Thailand the last few days, there seems to be a certain ambivalence towards them. On the one hand they are seen as very handsome and are employed a lot in the entertainment sector (Tata Young). On the other hand, though, there are many prejudices towards them and their mothers who by some are seen as "loose" women. Racism, too, apparently is a factor here. Some thai people regard these children as "impure", as a threat to "their" race. This of course is complete nonsense but I can´t help wondering how the people in Laos will react, in a country which has (until now) had only a very few number of Fallang-babies. What do you think?
I´ve met my girlfriends parents before, by the way, and my impression was that they were very warm and friendly albeit seriously conservative / traditional.
This, too, worries me, as they may regard it as a shame that their unmarried daughter is awaiting a child by a fallang...hmmm.

My teeruk claims to be sure that it´s going to be a girl. I´m not so sure but I´ve begun thinking about a name anyway (Seemingly it´s the duty of the father to name the child in Laos, or so she told me...)

That´s all for now - Chock Di,

Ampoliros

 

[dado]

This is what i was trying to say, but couldnt so well!

 

[Trust Me]

Just looking back up in this thread.. it is impossible to discuss this topic without strong opinions on many sides.. abortion is not something that allows you to sleep peacefully at night... I have no belief in 'god' (lower case) but was dragged up by catholics.. I only believe in 'morals', self control, and self determination.. however..

IMHO (apologies in advance) early enough stem cells and multiplying cells / genes / whatever we are, is not concious.. I came close to making some tough choises as a teenager, I used powers of pursuation that I still think about.. but my life has had freedoms that a father could never have risked, moments I would never have had, my only responsibility was to me, survive, sink or swim, the postman (milkman / Rover employee / guy that works in the factory down the road) can never live that life, it aint all roses but I will take the dizzying highs and sickening lows of lifes roller coaster over the middle ground any day, yet I could never do that if I was a Dad..

For many its the best thing that ever happened (ask Nicke).. when I grow up and know what I am gonna do I will tell ya..

 

[Gbubb]

My baby was going to be a girl too... :broken_he

I understand that there may be some rascism towards the half caste child. Many years ago in UK there was bad feeling towards white women that slept with black men. It is not so bad now, but still some resentment. I think though, this is something you have to come to terms with and deal with. At the end of the day dare you giong to let other peoples attitudes dictate you own life? I think not.

I still think the best place for your girlfreind to have your baby is within the security and loving support of her own family. You may have beeter hospitals in Denmark, but she will feel very lonlely there, with only you and no-one else.

Good luck my mate, I wish you all the best.

My girl was going to be called Lucy, or Chloe...

 

[Gipper]

livinlos...i luv u, ok just kidding but u r a beautiful writer. and if u ever turn back to us whities please let me know (although i for one am quite, quite tan

 

[Allan W]

Ampo I think you should stop to wonder about the "parents" issue so much! For yours, just tell them. Their first reaction could be bad, so you ARE warned! But it would not stay bad if they see you love the girl and with the time she loves you! You cannot have everything sorted out in a week!

It looks like you love this gils, so focus on that! Try to see how to organise things for your future. And don't want to have everything works out immeaditely!

Your life will always be "bumpy". Things you worry about, will be no issue in the future..... But certainly do not take a decission because of what other people might think, but what you want for yourself, the girl and the baby.....

 

[Man of Action]

Thats me at the end of a night when I should retire (nearly 9am)...

You should meet me when I am sober enough to be charming... I live in hope (and my GF wouldnt mind either )

 

[Cat]

i know its kind of weird considering i have only talked to u over the internet but u have gone out of ur way sooooo many time to help me and u r such a beautiful writer that i think i have developed a real crush.....is that ok??? send me a pic to my pm since i never got any of the emails to my accounts. can u send pics. to pm's or are u in the member gallery pic. section??? i wasnt kidding when i said that a huge part of me being excited about coming to los was to finally meet u. i was very serious plus u sound like a very adventurous bad boy on the run thru europe type of guy, hello how sexy is that??!!!!?????!!! by the way.....what did u do that u had to run from in europe??? pm me. i have my different scenarios like maybe u robbed a bunch of banks or stole art from the louve or the prince of monaco (i am very creative)....u r very oceans 12 (since it was in europe) ....very, hot

 

[2cold scorpio]

Well said, very good advice...

Other peoples prejudices should hold no place in your heart. I am sure if you look inside yourself you will know what you want. Good luck lad!

 

[Pompal 09.]

Ampo:

If you want to check we havent actually been dating the same girl, I put a picture of her, and one of me and her on the forums Nightlife - sexy lady photo.

Imagine if it's the same girl,

 

[Sisir]

I think you have detected some of the issues a Luk Krueng child or adult will have now but would also hope as multi culturalism creeps in that more tolerance of different races is more the norm.. Think that any late teen now was born in the late 80's.. How different was the country then and how rare were the farangs that were the fathers ??

though seeing this

worries me.. what do you intend to do for money.. Working in Thailand is not easy, the only well paying gigs are being transfered in by a multinational even skilled work in BKK is usually not high paid.. With no experience in the workplace and no startup capital (I am assuming) how are you intending to 'come to LOS and adapt' life here is cheap but you will still need a min of about 1k Euro's a month.. Then you need to consider saving for your future, your childs education, medical coverage, etc etc.. I see people come here with a few million baht thinking they are going to retire.. Couple of years later its gone..

Not trying to scare you but providing for a family will be hard enough... Providing for one and getting a job to pay that in Thailand (and have what we consider an acceptable standard of living) is very very tough for a farang..