Massaging on beds? Happy endings?

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Hello,

Not too sure if this has been posted before...if so I'm sorry!!!

When I done my massage courses, I was always told NOT to massage on beds, since it was bad for our backs, and the clients', since it's not really a stable surface. You also lose the sense of professionalism.

However, since trying to turn my hobby into a career, I have found that most agencies are fine with you massaging on beds :/ I am trying to get clients myself but the people who have phoned me up are shocked when I say I use a massage mat or massage table and won't massage on a bed - am I losing potential clients or just losing ones that I could do without anyways?

What are your views on this? Do you or would you massage on the clients bed? etc

Also, how long should I expect guys to be calling asking for hand relief/extras/lingam massage? I knew I should expect some, but seriously, ALL the guys that have been in contact has asked for it. How do you deal with it? I was told I should just outright tell them that if that's what they were after I was the wrong therapist for them.

Why are peoples' perception of massage so sordid and smutty?

How am I to gain confidence in what I love to do when I cannot get the clients I need?

Sorry I ranted a little and there's a fair bit to read...if you have managed to read this far....I thank you kindly

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Thankfully I don't get calls from the kind of people that you are describing any more, but when I first started out, I did - that was 30+ years ago! I was advised never to take same-day bookings from males - make them wait at least a week - if they legitimately require massage therapy, then they will wait - plus, it makes it sound like you are busy - I always set an appointment time too, not letting them dictate when I should arrive at their home (I was mobile when I first started out). Always let a family member or friend know when you are doing home visits - call or text pre and post treatment. I didn't have that luxury when I first started, which is why I made them wait - timewasters or pests are not willing to wait, that's for sure!

I only ever treat palliative clients on their beds, and will not treat healthy individuals on anything except my portable couch, which is set up to a perfect working height for me. I am unwilling to compromise my health.

If you find yourself faced with an individual who has the wrong expectations, simply say 'I do not offer that form of treatment', pack up and leave.
 
I've have had a similar response from others when I say that I'm a qualified masseuse. Even if they have known me for years, I have been asked if I do "you know..."
As for why? Brothels tend to guise themselves as massage parlors, so masseuse has unfairly become a bit of a by word for a "working girl".
If you're getting so many clients wanting "extras", maybe the wording of your ad or even where you have been placing it needs to be revised?

I would never massage on a bed again (I did before I bought my massage bed while training) & there's no way you can apply the pressure needed as the mattress (as it's designed to do) sinks under the pressure. Also at 5'9 they are far too low for me.
I'm with Jabba, the only time I would massage someone on their bed is if they are in palliative care.
I tried the floor at one point too, but it wasn't for me. Massage table all the way for me!
 
I wouldn't use anything but my massage table, except if the client couldn't get on it or it would be too uncomfortable for them. Normal beds are way too low and soft and I think my back would break if I were to massage on the floor.

I did have family and friends make comments when I first started out but have only ever had 1 man phone asking for more than a massage. He was fine when I said no, saying he was sorry for bothering me.
 
I'd definitely agree with avoiding beds. Too hard to give an effective massage and far too easy to end up with backache afterwards.
Just a personal opinion but I also think a treatment table helps keep it much more professional (avoiding the happy ending requests) and since you'll find it easier to give a better massage, you're more likely to get a repeat booking.

The wording of your advert and where you advertise will certainly influence the number of dodgy requests you get but you'll always get them. I just accept I'll turn down a certain percentage of the enquiries I get and handle any other problems as they arise.
You just have to have confidence in your own abilities and what you do and don't offer.

Just a thought
What agencies are you using to find clients ?
Probably a silly question but are you sure they're not offering both escort and massage services so clients aren't actually sure which one you are ?
I've been approached by a couple of agencies and although you could say which you wanted to do, they advertised both.
 
never ever use beds, its just not professional. you can get a good couch for less than ยฃ100, its as much a tool of the trade as your hands. Get your clients to fill in professional forms with name, address, phone number and so on, giving all this detail the client will less likely ask for extras as you have numbers to report to police. You are a professional people should treat you like one.

i agree with others, make your marketing right, in the right areas, and word it so it cant get confused with the wrong sort of massage.

with the dodgy massages, do you actually get a massage????????
 
thanks for the replies, sorry it's taken me a while to reply...

@Jabba

That is some very good advice there, and it was along the lines of what I had arranged to do myself...just haven't had the chance yet lol

@Sooticas Dream

I made a poor judgement in where I placed my first advert...Gumtree, purely because I was on a small budget...should have known that I would get many dodgy requests!

@Ylangrose

How and where do you advertise then? I cannot believe that you have only had the one request I would love to be able to do via word of mouth, but I have just moved and don't know anyone in my area I tried Gumtree (BAD MOVE! and currently have some flyers which I will distribute, but not too sure on the return of such advertising :/)

@Techiefingers

I can't actually remember the agencies I tried now, but I have doubts on the professionalism of them when some of their websites were riddled with spelling mistakes! Which agencies approached you?

@The Beagle


I have no idea! But not willing to give it a try lol Perhaps you could do the research and report back?

Thanks again for taking the time to reply

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I advertised in the local free magazine, spent hours putting leaflets through doors locally and got family and friends to get their friends to come along. I haven't been practising for a while but am hoping to start again soon. Not sure how I'll do though as things are quiet with other therapists in the area. Maybe I'll get more requests this time round.
 
GUMTREE, wink wink nudge nudge say no more

Sorry SH, couldn't resist that one

If you are losing clients because it is not on a bed (disabled/palliative clients excluded) then you do not want them as clients.

Advertising and therapies isn't an easy one. You can print as many leaflets as you like and stick them up everywhere, but the return is very poor. Forget Yellowpages, newspapers and magazines, silly website directories, which can be expensive and give little results. Better to have a good quality business card that refers you to your website, and just keep talking to people, offer taster massage treatments, be seen. There will alway be some idiot that mentions about 'extras'. They are not worth bothering with and save your energy for those that are geninuely(sp) interested.

Question: As a massage therapist, what can you offer? What is your unique selling point? Do you have vision and a direction where you want your massage business to go?

Don't let any negative experiences so far get you down. We all have hurdles to leap, it's part of any business. The fun bit is to succeed and benefit our clients.

Best Wishes

RP
 
hello stoneholistics, sorry to hear that you are getting calls from guys wanting more than massage. As may have been mentioned already Gumtree does attract those type of requests.

I've seen at least one London massage therapy agency saying that the treatments may be carried out on a bed. It does make things seem not so professional. The only time I carry out a massage on a bed is for voluntary massage that I do for cancer clients. In this instance it is easier than them trying to get onto my massage table.

Have a look on the business and marketing section of this forum for some ideas to help you build your practice. It does take a while but good luck.
 
Hey, just a word on advertising ... it may sound silly, but honestly in the last week I have had more clients than I can deal with and that is because of where I have done some quick advertising...

It's quick, free, easy ... and did I mention free? Facebook! It may not sound very professional, but trust me MANY businesses actually have facebook pages/groups (or what I have done is make a normal facebook account with first name Rejuvenation and surname Room because they will just keep trying to make you make a page otherwise if you try anything other than one word in each field) but yeah, with doing that you can add people you know from your own friends list (if you are already using facebook) and if not, you can try get in touch with people you know, who will suggest people they know, who in turn ... well, you get the point. But also, I just started a competition today (very popular things the beauty and hair salons in my area here in Norway and in Northern Ireland are doing ) that will run for a week after I got 100 people to add me as a friend, "to win a free 60min (or 30 min depending on what you would prefer to give away yourself) massage of your choice, all you have to is reply in this thread with your best de-stressing tips, they can be funny, serious or both, but not googled. The aim is to get the most 'likes' on your tips so invite your friends to join in and like your comments" etc. and it will run for a week.

I seem to have a habit of talking waaaay to much, suffice to say that if you are low budget, and want to get less dodgy people until you can build up word of mouth advertising is to get your friends and family involved. The hardest part of being a massage therapist is getting them over that threshold in the first place- and what is a free 60min massage when you could possibly have hooked yourself a regular client because you took away the risk for them?

You could also, depending on what massage you offer, write to doctors, physiotherapists, local businesses and try to do a deal with them. Doctors can refer clients to you to destress, physios often get clients who actually just need a good sports massage and would happily have you take those clients for them so they can focus on the innumerable clientele they already receive, and offices. My physio advised me to go to somewhere (like my part-time place of work, a nursing home) and offer to massage 10 personnel for 4-6weeks (30min/45min/60min -obviously 60mins would need to be over 2 days) for a reduced rate like say, ยฃ1000 ... that the company pays . Now the idea is, if you present it right, to persuade the company you are actually saving the them money (in the long run, time= money ) because studies prove that in certain jobs, like the health sectors- nursing homes, hospitals etc. they have a lot of people on sick leave because of bad backs, chronic neck & shoulder pains as well as migraines/headaches because of having to lift patients (bad body mechanics), so if you can show them studies (pretty sure google can provide you with statistics) that show massage therapy as beneficial at reducing sick leave, as well as staff discomfort, they would be more than happy to try it out - could tell them to provide it to their staff as part of their Christmas bonus. (The same with approaching offices, and with a desktop chair massage apparatus, you don't have bulky equipment to carry around and can do it at a desk through the clothes).

Sorry again for a long winded reply but hope my incoherent ramblings held at least a LITTLE semblance of good advice

Gina
 
Great tips, Gina! Thanks so much for those. I'm moving to London in the new year and I'll be starting my own business in massage and Reiki. I'll definitely try some of what you've suggested.
 
I'm using it as a pseudo-website of sorts, with having things like customer advice, terms & conditions placed in the "notes" section. It's very amateur and it's not as good obviously as some other methods, but for what I can handle right now, it has gotten me quite a few new customers, so I'm happy


*Gina*
 
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    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–HAPPY Friday!!!๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: SL Richmond Hill & SL West Oakville โœจ Your passport to paradise with 10 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan & Korea โ€” ๐Ÿ†•36D Flora, Amber, Cici, Eva, Coco, JPN Yui, Happy, Cindy, Jasmine & Aaliyah โ€” pamper yourself๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss
  30. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน3 girls ๐Ÿ˜˜Table shower ใ€body scrub ใ€ Sea salt bath๐Ÿ‘5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Young girl Cherry (Student)๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜โ€œcharming breasts.โ€beautiful curvy hips.โ€very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna sexy body beautiful boots 36D deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธ You are welcome to make an appointme
  31. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Mass
  32. Spa in Markham:
    GOLDEN FS โ€“ 8380 Kennedy Rd ๐Ÿ“ž 905-258-0777 / 416-688-6886 ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ CICI, ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ AISHA, ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡ฐ JOJO (9PMโ€“2AM), ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ MIKA, ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ด MEGAN (11AMโ€“2AM) ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookinggoldenlove
  33. FLOWER Spa - BLUEXADO | Thornhill | VAUGHAN:
    BLUEXADO FS โ€“ #06-1102 Centre St ๐Ÿ“ž 416-357-9797 / 416-678-8668 ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ KELLY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ AMY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ JULIE ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingbluexadolove
  34. FLOWER Spa โ€“ PINK | Scarborough | TORONTO:
    PINK FS โ€“ 3300 McNicoll Ave ๐Ÿ“ž 416-299-5515 / 416-817-3839 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ท ELINA, ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญ MADY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ KELLY, ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡ฐ JOJO ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingpinklove
  35. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Suki๐Ÿ˜is beautiful short petite tiny sexy student from Cambodia. Exotic features and model looks, Suki has a nice bum, slim waist, flat stomach and very good massage skills and has a great playful personality. Suki has a beaut
  36. luckywellness:
    Lucky Wellness Center 4379721888 295 Eglinton Ave E,Unit 7,Mississauga We had two girls working today, Sophie and Kiki, they are young, pretty and cute and the massage was very professional.
  37. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
  38. pickyreviewerr:
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  39. wonderspa:
    wonderspa: wonderspa: wonderspa: โ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,L6a4H8๏ผŒopen10 to10,Ensuit shower available open long weekend ๐ŸŒน๐Ÿ”ฅbeautiful young Jessica deep tissue to relax massage back walk,hot stone๐Ÿ…sexy face sunny is very good looking,slim body ,nice body slide sweet sensual touch ๐ŸŒนbeautiful long hair younge new lily, amazing touch, really popular,must try๐Ÿ”ฅ๐ŸŒน
  40. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธKim๐ŸŒธTina๐ŸŒธSamyCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  41. Golden Sunshine Spa:
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  42. ForeverWarden:
    Friday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ : Bobo, Mimi & Sasa. Bobo is a small, slim and sexy lady, petite with all natural busty melons for your enjoyment. Mimi is a nice slim lady with a big bottom, & great oral skills to take you to paradise. Sasa is a slim & sweet Korean lady, about 5โ€™4โ€ with C Cups.
  43. HolidaySpa:
    Friday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: FIONA, LINA & CINDY. FIONA is a slim hottie with long dark hair, great melons and ass, and nice services. LINA is very well known for her great services and her impressive shapely ass. Come and see why! You will be glad you did. CINDY is a slim & incredibly sexy lady
  44. AliceSpa:
    FRIDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 3 ladies waiting for you. Two Very Hot ladies (Qiqi & Summer) have returned to Alice spa today. Open 10am to 9pm: APPLE (12pm-9pm): from Hong Kong, very small body, 5' 100Lbs, petite with natural C Cups, small waist, pretty baby face, smooth skin, very clean. Shaved tight Pu**y, strong professional massage. Available FS bbbj cim cof rim.
  45. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young girls are working today, young cute Taiwanese 25โ€™s slime open mind and sexy flirty Tina 30โ€™s with curly body open mind, young pretty popular Lily 25โ€™s with curve body and sweet GFE Lina are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome,back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  46. SugarLoveSpa:
    Friday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ANA, ELLA, LINDA, LUNA, SHAYLA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž ANA is a young, short and sweet lady, 5โ€™1 & 105 Lbs, very tight, with a small to medium booty. Ana is a versatile honey who provides great massage, & can accommodate your needs. ELLA is a lovely Thai sweetheart, 5โ€™1โ€ with C Cups, smooth skin
  47. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 15 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ LUCY, MALIYA, JANVI, MONIKA, BELA, MONICA, MEGAN, JAZMINE, PREETI, PREET ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  48. ใ™ใฟใพใ›ใ‚“:
    TOP NOTCH WELLNESS​
    SUNNY , GABBY , LARISSA , KIKI , MICHELLE AND VANNA AT TOP NOTCH WELLNESS. ALL SUPERSTARS CALL OR TEXT 437-522-9961 TO BOOK
  49. pickyreviewerr:
    BLACKPINK WELLNESS CENTER - Lisa, Apple, Tiffany. CALL OR TEXT 647-395-3188 to book
  50. ใ™ใฟใพใ›ใ‚“:
    BESTU WELLNESS​
    โ€ŠLORA , EMMAโ€Š , โ€ŠRACHEL , GIGI AT BestU WELLNESS. Lora and GiGi speaks English. CALL OR TEXT โ˜Ž๏ธ: (437) 830-0913 TO BOOK YOUR APPOINTMENT.
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