MikeGB, You're apology to Apollo reflects well upon you. Classy move. I also was taken aback by your comment on Americans, and appreciated the explanation, which made sense. It is not that Americans frequent hookers more. They probably patronize them less because they simply can't afford to. Most Americans never have been to a hooker. Every time I fill my gas tank w/ " petrol", which is several times weekly, at $35 to $40 a pop, I think, "Jesus, I could be spending the night w/ a BG and have money left for drinks or dinner for this much." Seems incredibly cheap. To the American mind, how you could spend 2000 Baht or more on drinks, but not be OK w/ spending that much to f*ck the BG and have her all night, is incomprehensible.
It is the same with tipping. Some Euros don't tip or tip little, but no self-respecting American will tip less than 15% at a restaurant, some tip that much to bartenders, as well, and some tip 20%. I would never tip less than 15% in America, but I realize LOS is different. Not all Americans make that distinction.
My 1st two nights in LOS, I spent $60 for ST and $100 for LT. I thought it was reasonable. I learned fast, and have only once since paid 2000 Baht(she was well worth it! :biggrinlo ). But Americans mostly don't like to quibble. In America, the prices are set and there is rarely a situation which involves negotiating, except when buying cars and houses(but houses often sell for more than asking price!). My friends typically pay 2000 LT plus 600 BF(BKK), except for one who always paid 3000 plus BF, plus 200 "lady charge" at hotel he stayed at.
When I tell them I don't like to pay more than 1000, they think I am foolish, and say, "You get what you pay for," and this is a prevalent attitude in US.
Also because US is so far from LOS(20 to 25 hours on plane), you don't get very many average blokes zipping off to LOS for 2 week holidays. Most of us don't even get more than 2 weeks paid holiday in a year. Many, such as myself, get none. So the ones in LOS are usually only the more financially well-off or the horniest(that's me).
As for most "beautiful" girls in gogos, I don't think anyone made that statement. Apollo, Bafana, and I expressed the opinon that "on average," the gogos look better than BGS. Look better, not are better. I agree that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and yet another saying is "the pretty girl always gets asked to the dance first", so while many will disagree who is the prettier of 2 pretty ones, few will pick the average one or "ugly" one as better-looking. I have only been to Rockhard, Showgirls, and Playschool(& Nana BKK), and not to what I am now told are some dicey clubs w/ razor shows, etc, and sound like they have some ugly girls. Maybe if you count them it makes a difference. None of us are saying there aren't many BGs as beautiful or more so than any gogo girl. You just got to do more walking, more looking, to find them some nights.
As Apollo said, he is jealous of men who find great beauty in average or lesser girls, and that feeling compelled to settle for only the beautiful looks, not being able to prefer the inner beauty, is a curse. I have often said the same things. I fought against the curse, but finally had to accept it. You would think that the fact that I have had some of the best times w/ girls who weren't as beautiful would cure me of this curse, but it never seems to matter. It seems like we are masochists, but it is just how some of us are born.
P.S. If you got this far, thanks for taking the time to read this. :cheers: