Tipping is voluntary... so why do MPAs get mad if you give less???

From what i understand we are paying girls in MP for the service, not the time that we are in the room. But it works other way around with SP's: we are paying for Time, and whatever we are doing at that time- is up to the both sides.

Anyway, whether to have a wonderful time or not is not only up to the girl that you are staying with, but also up to you. If you want your session till the last minute, then hold it..... think about football or hockey ( something just out of scean) and then think about the session again. it is not the girl's fault if you are done. That is what we are there for.

Most of the places and girls will spend time with you after you done, like talking, relaxing you for a bit. Be nice and you will get a great service. I just don't see a problem .
 
The FEE for Bodyslide is whatever she quoted you and you agreed to; even if there was no discussion, it is a price for a specific service NEVER a tip. A tip is what you give over and above the price when you're particularly pleased by the personal service received. That is discretionary

If you received subpar service, and feel you shouldn't pay full price you owe her a statement to that effect as you re-negociate the price. You alone have no right to alter the fee you contracted for.

If you didn't discuss the fee beforehand, 'โ€ฆbecause you're both experienced and know the game', then she's expecting you to know that the standard TO Bodyslide price is $80. If you didn't, you shoulda asked. Like any other business: if you didn't check the price before using the service, that's your tough noogies.

So let's stick to: Tip [n.] a discretionary amount added to a priceโ€”or notโ€”to recognize superiore service.
 
Then that brings as to being regulars. Some regulars visit once a week, some once a month, twice a month. the reason they visit is they have a good time. I agree, a client that visits once a week will most likely have a better session because time spent with MPA creates a more familiar bond. It may take longer for a client who visits twice a month or once a month but as long as the MPA don't have a short memory, it won't be a problem. And most probably some who visits only once a month has probably other ATfs that provides better service but once in a while you miss that session you had from a different MP even though it's not better. Sometime you just get tired of great service you seek out something meh.... LoL.
 
I like to go to the Asian places a lot because generally I can get a quality massage from an older, wiser, more sensuous woman and a quick release for a good price. I don't give a shit about overpriced NR, BS etc with some young broad who thinks I should pay her an arm and a leg because she's young and hot but meanwhile has no sense of sensuality whatsoever, fuck that.

With big tips, you're setting up a situation where they don't even try to give a good massage because why should they if they get a big fat tip for 5 mins of massage and 15 mins of hanky-panky? You're setting them up to be similar to fat, lazy government employees collecting a big-ass cheque for doing nothing and always demanding more for the less they do.

Don't give them huge tips because you believe you've made some personal connection with the lady, because you really haven't, they don't give a shit about you and they'll forget about you within an hour when they're rubbing the next guy. I think that's the reason most guys give big tips, because the lady somehow convinces him he's special and he really turns her on. Don't fall for it, if you were that good, she'd be paying you.

I'll never tip more than $10-15, I'm already getting ripped off by the door fee. And that's only with a release. Tipping without a release? You gotta be kidding me.
 
Always a fun conversation.

There is no valid argument under which you pay a dime less than the "tip" for topless, bodyslide, etc. E.g., if it's $40 for the room fee and another $80 for a bodyslide, you're in for $120.

However, there's a totally valid argument for not tipping beyond that.

Obviously the girl will appreciate it, and if you have another $20 burning a hole in your pocket, go ahead and part with it.

But IMHO you're better off showing your appreciation by repeating with the same girl.

In practical terms - is she going to be any better in sessions #2 and #3 if you give her an extra $20 in session #1?

In my experience, no. You either click or you don't. And if she sucks (not literally) in session #2? You're now stuck in the extra $20 zone forever.

I've probably had about three sessions ever where the girl went so far beyond my expectations that I felt wrong not giving her more money.

And those sessions were worth it!
 
Exactly. Even more precisely it's borrowed by guys whose legal training comes from American TV. In almost all US states prostitution is a criminal offence. Prostitution is not a criminal offence in Canada. So in the US, the faint hope is that calling the hooker's fee a 'tip', a 'donation' or 'roses' will be a sufficiently good argument to get her off in court.

An MPA may be compromising the spa's license by stripping nude, or touching your timbits, but she's also legitimately selling a non-sex service for a stated price. Being coy and calling it a 'tip' fools no one on the other side and only confuses things on our side. And if anyone is writing about full-blown sex for sale in a MP on massageplanet.net, it will take way more than schoolboy euphemisms to keep the place from being raided.

The tip is what you give after settling the bill.
 
The way it works up here in Ottawa, at least in my experience is towards the end of the session and before the flip she'll ask "Is there anything else I can do for you?" and then the options and prices are given. This to me is you are paying her for a service and it is not a tip. My favourite sessions are the ones where nothing is discussed in the room, she starts a tease, asks you to flip over, takes off her clothes without asking and gives you a release. Afterwards when you are dressed and leaving and you ask her "What do I owe you?" and she replies "Whatever you feel is fair" then it's a tip. Just like getting great service in a restaurant.

I don't know how some of the MP's in Toronto get away with listing services and prices on their web sites and not get busted especially those that list "VIP Sessions".
 
Its a tip in my opinion
Do not confuse yourself by stating your opinion as fact (sound familiar ?)

Again a contract should be honored, but by both sides.
The party who contracted to deliver a body slide for 40 mins , rubs her tit on your back, calls it a body slide and wraps up after 23 miins.
She broke the contract
The counter-party theoretically owes her nothing as the contract has been voided by her.

As for the grammatical correction, you are correct, my apologies for not picking that up
However I would not make a habit out of pointing those issues out.
 
Because nothing listed is illegal. No one is posting for HJ, BJ or FS.
 
Bull Shit
If your quoted for a service and receive less than the quoted service then the orginal agreement has been voided
Payment is for services services delievered.

If you feel you want to discuss the issue that your call.
If I feel I just got ripped off then I am not overly anioux to get into a discussion with someone who does not respect me or the agreement we made

When a MPA short changes you on time or service, she knows exatly what she is doing
There should be no surprise if the tip is not what was agreed upon. ie the service was not what was agreed upon.
If you do not bring it to her attention, she will continue doing so
 
Sure, if you agreed on a BS and got a N only, but what is the bright-line test for whether you got the minimum body slide?
 
I'd love to know the ones 300 plus, NO! 250 plus. I know it is splitting hair, but are they going fulltil in the time they work, like fully-book? If not, you got to have sympathy for the time she is watching TV and catching some ZZZ and adjust for the rate of 250-300../hr. WTF, talking about lawyers's rate. Realistically, they are making LESS than what you guys think, consider the bad economy out there, hence the overcharge for subpar "performance" ;(
In the end guys, i think the power is with US, the paying party. No matter what the MP, MPA think or want, if we seem happy with subpar performance, by way of not voicing our unsatisfaction and then returning to the same treatment, whose fault is it but OURS? They (the bad ones) have all the right to assume it is up-to-par.
 
I think most people would get shorted on time if it was a bad session. Stuff like BS or N are pretty obvious.
IMO if a session was going so badly I can't see wanting to extend it personally though.
So in that case I can understand shorting the girl on tip.
 
MPAsquare:"Sweeety, we all know u aren't shy, if u get sub-par service speak up WHILE ur in there. If she's going in for the kill too early you watch the reaction to saying "ok if I finish now I'm taking $40 back". U can't agree upon a service and then pay less afterwards and wonder why a girl "reminds you" the amount u agreed upon. Its not a flea market! Don't be cheap! Speak up to the girl and management before or during or after your sub-par service. Be a gentleman, not a jackass.

Regradless what u call it, u agree to an amount, pay it. Period.[/QUOTE]

Hey! is it MANAGEMENT speaking here?
What TF you are supposed to do when you are almost there and... the clock say you can still enjoy "whatever" for another 20 minutes? Do you ever heard "RUSH SERVICE"? Come on, it is a game that MP and MPA play all the time, you agree to an extra, pay up front, then they WILL go through the "motions" and boom you are supposed to kill the mood by saying something she deffinitely does not wanna hear like "slow down" ( forget 'bout -$40!)? It is BS what ur suggesting!
MHO, tipping is for appreciation and it up to you AFTER the service rendered, period. Fees you have to pay, and agreed upon beforehand and ussually taken beforehand too, whatever falls between, is up to interpretation.
 
Someday you might realize that stating an opinion is not the same as stating a fact. If you didn't think the BodySlide was up to standardsโ€”as established by whom?โ€”that's just your opinion, which she who delivered it undoubtedly does not share.

But if your opinions are facts JL, whyever have you not incorporated yourself as the Toronto Massage Parlour Certification Agency? Depriving us of your certain judgement means the rest of us must argue and debate when our deals return poor outcomes.

Just like in any retail service operation. And in no such operation does one ever negociate or agree on a tipโ€”except in your MPA Performance Standards.

And I'd be most interested in reading the objective criteria you use in your assessments: how many minutes with one and how many with two hands, strokes per minute and such. My days have lacked humour, until you waded in.
 
kav - Is there a minimum time for a bodyslide? Does she have to be naked for at least half the session, or only the last 5 minutes (pretty standard at AMPs)? Is she required get fully on the table or is it enough to rub her tits on your cock (ahem, C2M)?

sasemohan - If the MP/MPA is insisting that you pay upfront, you're going to the wrong kind of spa (all-in door fees notwithstanding).


Just pay the fee/tip, chalk it up to TOFTT and tell the whole world what crapass MPA/MP it was.
 
So is it crazy to assume or out of line to ask said mpa that if a BS is 100 for the half hour and she shorted me by 10 minutes,that she should refund me or I should short change her $33.33 ? Or is this inconceivable .
 
I don't know about you guys but where I go, the lady's clothes are gone at the start of the session, and I get BS paying NR fee...
 
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    Saturday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: AMY & MAGGIE. AMY is an attractive young lady with larger breasts and a nice bottom. She has outstanding oral skills, and is very popular. Donโ€™t miss out on her special skills! Maggie is sweet, slim and very talented. ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…HOLIDAY SPA๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด 3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4 (Kennedy Rd & Steeles Ave E)
  49. SugarLoveSpa:
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  50. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Judy๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅOur new Asian massage girl Judy is a vision of refined sensuality, with a graceful figure and smooth, flawless skin that radiates warmth and allure. Her striking black hair frames her delicate features, and her poised
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