Covid. Time to stop the bleeding before it’s too late.

[MASSAGE.MAESTRO]

I can most identify with A.J. After, over 100 people being laid off (including two of my fellow forklifters yesterday), I am feeling more and more sad...in spite of quite possibly, holding onto my job through to the end of this.

My children and I were struck with some sort of Flu Virus, about a year ago. It included bouts of non-stop coughing, and Pneumonia. Incredibly taxing, struggling to breathe, or even getting out of bed. Thanks to antibiotics, I only missed three weeks of work. I fear that experience, probably damaged my lungs. If I get Covid19, I might be one of the younger ones that doesn't make it. So....its not just an elderly issue.
Taking extreme cautions, probably has saved lives, like mine.

Although, I can never agree with O.F.'s tone of rebuke...(in my opinion), he was right on the money, advising us to stop going for massage visits, until there was a vaccine. On my last visit, before the shut down, the lady was wearing a mask, and washed her hands multiple times throughout the hour. (Thank God!)

 

[Happytoast]

Hey Toast. What kind of idiot compares junk food to a deadly virus. Don't bother responding because I just put you ignorant ass on ignore.
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◦ That’s a typical response from someone that can’t handle an argument and only cares about his view.
◦ Heart disease is the highest cause of death and cancer right behind.
◦ Since you are so worried about the death rate, why don’t you look up what causes heart disease while stuffing your face with Twinkie’s and KFC.
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More than nine in 10 people dying with coronavirus have an underlying health condition, figures from the Office for National Statistics show.
The ONS looked at nearly 4,000 deaths during March in England and Wales where coronavirus was mentioned on the death certificate.
In 91% of cases the individuals had other health problems.
The most common was heart disease, followed by dementia and respiratory illness.
On average, people dying also had roughly three other health conditions.

The coronavirus has spread rapidly in the US, and the number of deaths has grown exponentially along with it. From April 9 to 15, at least 13,613 people died from COVID-19, compared with 9,801 the week before.
For comparison, 12,451 people died on average per week from heart diseases and 11,521 people died per week from cancer in 2018. Fewer than 800 people died from car crashes in any week that year.

And here Professor Willie thinks junk food is playing no part in the death rate.
Wow you’re smart

 

[Happytoast]

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◦ That’s a typical response from someone that can’t handle an argument and only cares about his view.
◦ Heart disease is the highest cause of death and cancer right behind.
◦ Since you are so worried about the death rate, why don’t you look up what causes heart disease while stuffing your face with Twinkie’s and KFC.
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More than nine in 10 people dying with coronavirus have an underlying health condition, figures from the Office for National Statistics show.
The ONS looked at nearly 4,000 deaths during March in England and Wales where coronavirus was mentioned on the death certificate.
In 91% of cases the individuals had other health problems.
The most common was heart disease, followed by dementia and respiratory illness.
On average, people dying also had roughly three other health conditions.

The coronavirus has spread rapidly in the US, and the number of deaths has grown exponentially along with it. From April 9 to 15, at least 13,613 people died from COVID-19, compared with 9,801 the week before.
For comparison, 12,451 people died on average per week from heart diseases and 11,521 people died per week from cancer in 2018. Fewer than 800 people died from car crashes in any week that year.

And here Professor Willie thinks junk food is playing no part in the death rate.
Wow you’re smart

 

[Deleted member 72001]

Here is what I have learned through all of this:

1) When one is stuck at home, one tends to do allot of online learning.
2) There is ALLOT of different “facts” out there and people will cling to the facts that work best to help ease their own anxiety. (Guilty)
3) People get jumpy and on edge when cooped up.
4) Not everyone Will have the same opinions.
5) We can all agree to disagree, but be gentle with the backlash on those differing opinions.

Truth is, unless you work for the CDC, or the government, it’s tough to know the whole truth right now. Comparing what disease will take us out the fastest, (or has in the past) seems counterproductive in my eyes. I have to keep reminding myself that, unless your 102 years old, no one has been through this before. I am not the only overtly anxious person and we are all stumbling around in the dark.

MM started offering constructive help like the best place for TP. It was some good info for sure. Or Jistaguys “best massage ever” thread. Maybe we can offer more good ideas to ease the pain. like good take out restaurants or sales on your favourite booze. Buying local. (Not intended as a gloat for those without means)

This was not meant to sound all fru-fru like “let’s share our feelings in a circle with wine in or pyjamas then end with a pillow fight” I just get antsy without structure.

Be kind guys, but If you can’t, get a mouth guard to protect your gritted teeth when mash texting a scathing response.

 

[Wills_willie]

Good points Rook. I usually don't get involved with other folks rants, but...... I'll stop there and put in my mouth guard, good advice you gave there.
Rather, pillows, high noon, Main Street, be there in surgical masks and gloves.

 

[MASSAGE.MAESTRO]

I would also like to add: although there is no cure for other causes of death; coughing, sneezing, touching someone, or something....won't lead to others getting cancer, heart disease, being more prone to car accidents etc...
But, there are ways to lower your risk for heart disease, car accidents, some forms of cancer etc... Social distancing, protective clothing, and sanitation....does nothing to reduce the death rates in those situations. But, it does for viruses. And that's why governments are following health experts advice, in this regard. If cancers started spreading the way a virus does, governments likely would have taken the same extreme measures.

For myself: its not about what causes more deaths...it's about strategies to bring down all types of death. All lives matter, no matter what ends more of them.

That being said: if Science doesn't come up with a solution to Covid19, other extreme solutions may have to be used, to get the world back to its fullest working level possible. For example: companies where workers have to be in close proximities, may have to provide their employees with full, medical grade ppe's (sanitised and washed every day), and rigid break schedules, keeping employees spaced sufficiently apart.

 

[Qster]

I am just curious about people's opinions are here. For HIV, there is Truvada & Descovy which is about 70-80% effective in preventing HIV infections without other forms of protections. Using it without condoms is not good enough at 70-80%, even if 100%, you are still exposed to all of the other STDs. Using it with condoms, you are pretty much bullet proof. No one uses them because condoms by themselves are good enough unless you are silly enough on insisting on stick a needle in your arm. The other issue is that it is about $1,200 a year as the drug is a daily thing.

I know researchers are looking into similar drug for COVID-19, a drug which prevents the SAR-COV-2 virus from binding to cells, of all things, certain hypertension drugs show promises. If available, probably free for the elderly. But would you pay $1,200 a year to take it? I personally would just to get the economy going again.

 

[EnjoyingLife]

Truth is, unless you work for the CDC, or the government, it’s tough to know the whole truth right now.

see my post from Thursday. cheers.

 

[Albertaman]

At the end of the day, the true death rate will be a fraction of all of the hyped numbers being put out there today. Yes the virus is novel. But the first coronavirus was originally observed under a SEM by a woman (Scottish) virologist in Toronto, Canada in 1964. Latest Stanford study, not yet peer reviewed expects death rates in the 0.12% to 0.20% range. Many more of us were already infected and naturally cured since last November/December.


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[Rubmegood]

Hey- there's good news cumming out of the latest "research"!

Vegan mum claims she can beat coronavirus by drinking sperm smoothies

A HEALTH blogger claims drinking a smoothie with a shot of her boyfriend’s sperm in is helping her beat coronavirus. The vegan mum says she hasn’t been ill for three years and puts it a…

www.thesun.co.uk

Now we just have to convice women and we could be making a killing selling our "vaccine"! (I understand it's best fresh from the source!

 

[Ursus]

The number of cases certainly makes one wonder if all the hype is really necessary.

I don't know the numbers, but I think I would be safe to say cancer out numbers the Cvoid epidemic by a long shot.

Each year in Canada, the numbers of dead and the causes, are as follows:

Abortion 100,000
Cancer 80,000
Heart Disease 51,000
Cerebrovascular Diseases 13,000
Accidents 12,000
Respiratory Illnesses 12,000
Diabetes 7,000
Alzheimers 6,000
Flu and Pneumonia 6,000
Suicide 4,000
Liver Disease 3,000
Deaths on Public Healthcare Waiting Lists - Not reported by govt healthcare system

Covid deaths so far - 1600**

**And that's the number the govt gives, which is suspect because it makes no sense that Quebec has a much lower population than Ontario, with much less population density, yet their reported cases and deaths are highest in Canada. Seems suspiciously misreported for the purposes of benefiting from the crises. The hospitals get paid more by their provincial healthcare authorities to treat a Covid patient than a Flu patient. Hence, staff would have a greater incentive to lie about the cause of death and report most as being from the Covid virus whether or not that was the actual case.

 

[Albertaman]

Hey- there's good news cumming out of the latest "research"!

Vegan mum claims she can beat coronavirus by drinking sperm smoothies

A HEALTH blogger claims drinking a smoothie with a shot of her boyfriend’s sperm in is helping her beat coronavirus. The vegan mum says she hasn’t been ill for three years and puts it a…

www.thesun.co.uk

Now we just have to convice women and we could be making a killing selling our "vaccine"! (I understand it's best fresh from the source!

There are times, when we need to sacrifice ourselves, step up, and do our part. Make ourselves fully available, one on one, and not seek any compensation.


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[Old Fart]

At the end of the day, the true death rate will be a fraction of all of the hyped numbers being put out there today.

Well that's a relief ! I just hope these people chose burial rather than cremation. You can always dust them off a but after you dig 'em back up but man is it HARD to piece those ashes back together.
Damm, there goes my "tone of rebuke" again LOL. Gotta learn to stop responding in like manner.

 

[MASSAGE.MAESTRO]

Well that's a relief ! I just hope these people chose burial rather than cremation. You can always dust them off a but after you dig 'em back up but man is it HARD to piece those ashes back together.
Damm, there goes my "tone of rebuke" again LOL. Gotta learn to stop responding in like manner.

Damn! Is "tone of rebuke" the only thing that stood out?


Needless to say: I am curious if the Nova Scotia shootings are an extreme reaction, to someone being forced out of their job by the untreatable Covid 19 and the present quarantine.

Always hoped we would never experience something like mass shootings again. But, I fear, it will continue annually, or every few years.

 

[EnjoyingLife]

Latest Stanford study, not yet peer reviewed expects death rates in the 0.12% to 0.20% range.

So you telling me this is just the flu?

Can you elaborate on the mortality rate as seen in a controlled environment with people living in close proximity at sea isolated from the rest of society for a few months such as the Princess Diamond cruise? How many people died there out of how many passengers? Why some get infected and some didn't? Such as the husband and wife on the ship where husband didn't get it and wife got it?

 

[Happytoast]

Since you wanted to know.
Obviously we can all agree that it wasn’t a spring break party cruise.

Using the Diamond Princess data, a team reports in Eurosurveillance1 that by 20 February, 18% of all infected people on the ship had no symptoms. “That is a substantial number,” says co-author Gerardo Chowell, a mathematical epidemiologist at Georgia State University in Atlanta. But the passengers included a large number of elderly people, who are most likely to develop severe disease if infected, so the share of asymptomatic people in the general population is likely to be higher, he says.
Disease severity
Another team used data from the ship to estimate2 that the proportion of deaths among confirmed cases in China, the case fatality rate (CFR), was around 1.1% — much lower than the 3.8% estimated by the World Health Organization (WHO).
The WHO simply divided China’s total number of deaths by the total number of confirmed infections, says Timothy Russell, a mathematical epidemiologist at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. That method does not take into account that only a fraction of infected people are actually tested, and so it makes the disease seem more deadly than it is, he says.

 

[Albertaman]

Well that's a relief ! I just hope these people chose burial rather than cremation. You can always dust them off a but after you dig 'em back up but man is it HARD to piece those ashes back together.
Damm, there goes my "tone of rebuke" again LOL. Gotta learn to stop responding in like manner.

OF, recommend you get yourself one of these safe shelters 11m deep in the ground, in New Zealand... just check out the companies building them.. that way you can hide out the rest of your days. Hey, why don't we just make this a permanent situation? Think the government employees love working from home . They do just as much as they did before. Nada. For the rest in the private sector.. people are ready to move forward.


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[Albertaman]

So you telling me this is just the flu?

Can you elaborate on the mortality rate as seen in a controlled environment with people living in close proximity at sea isolated from the rest of society for a few months such as the Princess Diamond cruise? How many people died there out of how many passengers? Why some get infected and some didn't? Such as the husband and wife on the ship where husband didn't get it and wife got it?

Underlying conditions... safe to say that many of the deaths classified as covid deaths could be re-classified. As for cruise ships... from the days of Norovirus outbreaks, the hygiene conditions have always been suspect. And dangerous given the demographics of a large part of the client base.


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[Albertaman]

There will be a lot more information coming out on antibodies testing, and true infection rates. A study in Cologne, Germany suggests 15% of the public already had developed antibodies. A new study in LA area is showing 4%. Another town in Marin county will test all 1600 residents for antibodies and infections. For Calgary or Edmonton, it would not surprise me if one day we learn that 30% or more of us already have the antibodies from the first winter of exposure to it.


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[Rubmegood]

The WHO simply divided China’s total number of deaths by the total number of confirmed infections,

That's assuming you can trust the numbers that China is feeding the world. But we all know we can't or shouldn't as the political regime will only reveal what they want the world to see. As my statistics instructor at NAIT quoted: "Statistics are like a bikini: What they reveal is interesting. What they conceal is vital!"