Question MSOG recipes

[GerryForMayor]

How to shorten refractory time?
"Try dark chocolate. I have recently been experimenting with 100% organic unrefined cocoa. I have always had a long refractory time, but the first thing I noticed since adding it to my diet was increased EQ and shortened refractory periods."

Dark Chocolate for Sex & Sex Drive
"Dark chocolates release endorphins or happy hormones in your body. This way, chocolate increases sex drive and reduces fatigue and stress. Dark chocolate acts as a natural viagra facilitates the production of nitric oxide in your body"

Arousal & Chocolate
"Eating chocolate infuses PEA & theobromide into our blood streams for a light, positive buzz. Phenylethylamine–a neuromodulator “love hormone” in the adrenaline family–helps us feel sexy, alive, and loved. Theobromide–a methylxanthine–causes mild mood elevation without an increase in stress, also enhances our parasympathetic/cholinergic system which enhances early sexual arousal into our blood."

Cocoa Polyphenols and Their Potential Benefits for Human Health
"This paper compiles the beneficial effects of cocoa polyphenols on human health, especially with regard to cardiovascular and inflammatory diseases, metabolic disorders, and cancer prevention."

Dark chocolate is the least exotic ingredient I have seen listed here!

 

[UsefulIdiot]

Guys, has your [refractory period] increased as you have aged?

"I'm 41, a couple of months ago I had ten orgasms in a 36 hour period (record for me). I am on several supplements that are supposed to boost male performance."

Multivitamin [general health]

Vitamin D3 - 1 x 5000 iu (+700 iu from multivitamin) [general health, testosterone level]

Fish Oil - 3 x 750 mg Omega 3 [heart health, sperm morphology]

Folic Acid - 2 x 400 mg (+400 mg from multivitamin) [sperm formation/morphology]

Zinc - 1 x 50 mg (+15 mg from multivitamin) [sperm count/motility, testosterone level]

Vitamin E - 1 x 400 iu (+22.5 iu from multivitamin) [sperm motility/morphology]

P-L-Carnitine - 1 x 750 mg [erection quality]

A-L-Carnitine - 1 x 750 mg [energy level, mental function]

L-Citrulline - 2 x 1600 mg [erection quality]

Black Maca Root - 6 x 750 mg [libido, erection quality, hormone balance, semen volume]

Horny Goat Weed - 2 x 500 mg [libido, erection quality]

Soy Lecithin - 6 x 1200 mg [semen volume, memory function]

Vitamin C - 2 x 1000 mg (+60 mg from multivitamin) [sperm count/morphology, anti-clumping]

Pygeum - 2 x 100 mg [semen volume]

"Look, that list is crazy. I won't argue. But objectively, I am enjoying some of the best sexual performance of my life at age 41. My erections are firmer, they are easier to get, and I have tons of stamina. I have had more back to back orgasms - i.e. stay hard enough to stay inside my wife, then go again right away - in the past three months than I probably have in the rest of my life combined."

All good stuff. In my own case Horny Goat Weed works but it makes me very nauseous. I did not know carnitine has different effects depending on the type (shape). I will try pygeum.

 

[John_Dough]

Dark chocolate is the least exotic ingredient I have seen listed here!

Other less exotic ingredients that are often overlooked are vitamin C and B complex.

How to become hypersexual healthily

"Zinc and vitamin B6 are commonly used to lower excess prolactin. They can also increase testosterone and norepinephrine and lower excess serotonin (R, R). This all translates to better libido."

"L-dopa use and other dopamine-boosting therapies in Parkinson’s patients also frequently cause hypersexuality. Dopamine synthesis requires iron, B1, B2, B3 (NAD (rate limited factor)), B6, folate, B12 and phenylalanine and/or tyrosine. Dopamine is converted to noradrenaline by dopamine hydroxylase with the help of copper and vitamin C."

"Oxytocin is a key inducer of libido, penile erection, ejaculation and orgasm intensity (R). Fenugreek (R), vitamin C (vit C rich fruit such as kiwi, oranges, etc.), pistachio (R), vit D and magnesium can increase oxytocin."

"Histamine has very similar qualities to dopamine and noradrenaline, when it comes to cognition, libido and sexual function. A simple way to skyrocket histamine is to use: 2g histidine (amino acid precursor), 400mcg folic acid, 500mg niacinamide (50-100mg niacin; it also reduces methyl donors and promotes vasodilation as well)"

"Final stack
DL-phenylalanine (500mg x2 daily) – promotes dopamine release and provides the precursor for dopamine synthesis.
Tribulus Terrestris (1 cap x3 daily) – Increases dopamine, DHEA, androsterone, DHT and lowers prolactin
Fenugreek (2 caps) + vitamin C (kiwi/orange juice) – Increase free T and oxytocin
100-150mg uridine (over 300mg can be sedating) – Increases D1 and D2
Rhodiola (1 cap 2-3 daily) – inhibits COMT and MOA-B (which breaks down dopamine and noradrenaline) (R)
2g histidine + Holarrhena antidysenterica (1 serving) – increase histamine"

 

[UsefulIdiot]

Other less exotic ingredients that are often overlooked are vitamin C and B complex.

How to become hypersexual healthily

"Zinc and vitamin B6 are commonly used to lower excess prolactin. They can also increase testosterone and norepinephrine and lower excess serotonin (R, R). This all translates to better libido."

"L-dopa use and other dopamine-boosting therapies in Parkinson’s patients also frequently cause hypersexuality. Dopamine synthesis requires iron, B1, B2, B3 (NAD (rate limited factor)), B6, folate, B12 and phenylalanine and/or tyrosine. Dopamine is converted to noradrenaline by dopamine hydroxylase with the help of copper and vitamin C."

"Oxytocin is a key inducer of libido, penile erection, ejaculation and orgasm intensity (R). Fenugreek (R), vitamin C (vit C rich fruit such as kiwi, oranges, etc.), pistachio (R), vit D and magnesium can increase oxytocin."

"Histamine has very similar qualities to dopamine and noradrenaline, when it comes to cognition, libido and sexual function. A simple way to skyrocket histamine is to use: 2g histidine (amino acid precursor), 400mcg folic acid, 500mg niacinamide (50-100mg niacin; it also reduces methyl donors and promotes vasodilation as well)"

"Final stack
DL-phenylalanine (500mg x2 daily) – promotes dopamine release and provides the precursor for dopamine synthesis.
Tribulus Terrestris (1 cap x3 daily) – Increases dopamine, DHEA, androsterone, DHT and lowers prolactin
Fenugreek (2 caps) + vitamin C (kiwi/orange juice) – Increase free T and oxytocin
100-150mg uridine (over 300mg can be sedating) – Increases D1 and D2
Rhodiola (1 cap 2-3 daily) – inhibits COMT and MOA-B (which breaks down dopamine and noradrenaline) (R)
2g histidine + Holarrhena antidysenterica (1 serving) – increase histamine"

Again, all good stuff. Unfortunately Fenugreek (as well as Kratom) make it very difficult for me to cum. Not that you are wrong to recommend it, I just want to make the point that everyone’s biochemistry is a little different.

 

[John_Dough]

I am starting to think I will still be sexually competent and active in my seventies. And hopefully by that time there will be significant advances in anti-aging medicine.

The 11 Best Food Supplements To Take, Even When You “Eat Healthy”

The Best Anti-Aging Supplements, Science-Based

 

[John_Dough]

In my own case Horny Goat Weed works but it makes me very nauseous.

I had the same problem with Tongkat Ali (Longjack). High dose niacin also made me feel ill.

 

[not impressed]

Guys, has your [refractory period] increased as you have aged?

"I'm 41, a couple of months ago I had ten orgasms in a 36 hour period (record for me). I am on several supplements that are supposed to boost male performance."

Multivitamin [general health]

Vitamin D3 - 1 x 5000 iu (+700 iu from multivitamin) [general health, testosterone level]

Fish Oil - 3 x 750 mg Omega 3 [heart health, sperm morphology]

Folic Acid - 2 x 400 mg (+400 mg from multivitamin) [sperm formation/morphology]

Zinc - 1 x 50 mg (+15 mg from multivitamin) [sperm count/motility, testosterone level]

Vitamin E - 1 x 400 iu (+22.5 iu from multivitamin) [sperm motility/morphology]

P-L-Carnitine - 1 x 750 mg [erection quality]

A-L-Carnitine - 1 x 750 mg [energy level, mental function]

L-Citrulline - 2 x 1600 mg [erection quality]

Black Maca Root - 6 x 750 mg [libido, erection quality, hormone balance, semen volume]

Horny Goat Weed - 2 x 500 mg [libido, erection quality]

Soy Lecithin - 6 x 1200 mg [semen volume, memory function]

Vitamin C - 2 x 1000 mg (+60 mg from multivitamin) [sperm count/morphology, anti-clumping]

Pygeum - 2 x 100 mg [semen volume]

"Look, that list is crazy. I won't argue. But objectively, I am enjoying some of the best sexual performance of my life at age 41. My erections are firmer, they are easier to get, and I have tons of stamina. I have had more back to back orgasms - i.e. stay hard enough to stay inside my wife, then go again right away - in the past three months than I probably have in the rest of my life combined."

41 …should not be a problem, 10 in 36 hours .. same woman , multiple women .. wanking off ..what was the inspiration?

 

[John_Dough]

41 …should not be a problem, 10 in 36 hours .. same woman , multiple women .. wanking off ..what was the inspiration?

You have to sign in to reddit to read the article. It says:
"Now, it was a weekend where my wife decided to take an Ambien both nights, she was really aggressive and kinky, and I had a couple of times where I would orgasm, stay inside, stay mostly hard, keep going, orgasm again."

In my experience, this is an impressive feat to achieve with one's wife. If it had been multiple women it wouldn't be as impressive. The Coolidge Effect states that males exhibit renewed sexual interest whenever a new female is introduced. It is believed this is caused by an increase in dopamine.

 

[John_Dough]

I am starting to think I will still be sexually competent and active in my seventies.

I had severe ED by age 60. I fixed it with vitamin K2 MK-7 and magnesium. It also got rid of my chest pain and numbness in my left arm, signs of an impending heart attack, the most common cause of death in humans. A recent study found that 97% of subjects tested were deficient in vitamin K2. After many years of no morning wood, I now get it every day. I also get spontaneous erections, which hadn't happened for a long time. I estimate I have reversed about 35 years of previous decline in performance. This wasn't a quick fix. It took several years. I will soon be in my seventies.

 

[UsefulIdiot]

I had severe ED by age 60. I fixed it with vitamin K2 MK-7 and magnesium. It also got rid of my chest pain and numbness in my left arm, signs of an impending heart attack, the most common cause of death in humans. A recent study found that 97% of subjects tested were deficient in vitamin K2. After many years of no morning wood, I now get it every day. I also get spontaneous erections, which hadn't happened for a long time. I estimate I have reversed about 35 years of previous decline in performance. This wasn't a quick fix. It took several years. I will soon be in my seventies.

Thank you, that is very encouraging.

 

[John_Dough]

The problem with vitamin K2 supplements is that some of them contain inactive cis isomers. Only the trans isomers are biologically active. At first I tried a synthetic high dose MK-4 supplement and it didn't work. Then I tried one with MK-7 and after only two weeks I had less plaque on my teeth. My dental hygienist noticed the difference. That is how you know if your K2 supplement is working. The one I took was AOR K2 with 60 mcg MK-7 and 60 mcg MK-4 per capsule. Based on my previous experience, I attribute the success entirely to the MK-7 content. I only took one bottle and the smooth teeth effect has lasted for many years. Vitamin K2 is fat soluble and is stored in the liver.

I have been taking magnesium every day since. Vitamin K2 loosens calcium plaque from the surface of the arteries. This excess calcium then circulates in the blood until the kidneys can excrete it in the urine, which uses up magnesium. Since taking K2 I have been prone to getting tight muscles, which is alleviated with magnesium supplements. Vitamin D3 supplements also use up magnesium when the body converts it to the active form.

 

[UsefulIdiot]

The problem with vitamin K2 supplements is that some of them contain inactive cis isomers. Only the trans isomers are biologically active. At first I tried a synthetic high dose MK-4 supplement and it didn't work. Then I tried one with MK-7 and after only two weeks I had less plaque on my teeth. My dental hygienist noticed the difference. That is how you know if your K2 supplement is working. The one I took was AOR K2 with 60 mcg MK-7 and 60 mcg MK-4 per capsule. Based on my previous experience, I attribute the success entirely to the MK-7 content. I only took one bottle and the smooth teeth effect has lasted for many years. Vitamin K2 is fat soluble and is stored in the liver.

I have been taking magnesium every day since. Vitamin K2 loosens calcium plaque from the surface of the arteries. This excess calcium then circulates in the blood until the kidneys can excrete it in the urine, which uses up magnesium. Since taking K2 I have been prone to getting tight muscles, which is alleviated with magnesium supplements. Vitamin D3 supplements also use up magnesium when the body converts it to the active form.

How much magnesium to you take? Do you supplement with copper?

 

[John_Dough]

How much magnesium to you take? Do you supplement with copper?

Currently I'm taking about 400 mg of magnesium per day. When I first took vitamin K2 I only needed about 200 mg of magnesium per day. As my arteries started to get cleared out from the inside, I needed more magnesium. For a time I was taking around 1500 mg per day. I was basing my dosage on how tight my muscles were. My case was an extreme one, where I was on the verge of having a heart attack, so your results would likely be less intense. My requirements seemed to follow a bell curve pattern. Now they are slowly tapering off. Good food sources of magnesium are cocoa powder or dark chocolate, bran and wheat germ, whole grains. The protein portion of grain and legumes is high in magnesium and trace minerals. For that reason, vegan protein powders are good sources of magnesium and trace minerals. The erectile benefits of vitamin K2 and magnesium started to be noticeable after about three months and kept getting better slowly over a few years.

I take magnesium glycinate, which is only 80 mg per capsule. That's 5 capsules, spread throughout the day and mostly with meals. Magnesium glycinate has the highest absorption rate. You can get magnesium oxide pills with 500 mg of magnesium per tablet, but the absorption rate is very low. To absorb enough magnesium you would need to take several of the magnesium oxide pills. Magnesium attracts and retains water, so large amounts of unabsorbed magnesium in the intestines can cause loose bowel movements. That is why I use magnesium in the glycinate form. Magnesium citrate and malate are reasonably well absorbed, but I find they can also cause loose bowel movements. For those who eat a high protein diet, this may not be a problem. It may relieve constipation. In those forms you can get around 150 mg per capsule or tablet. The products that are labelled magnesium bis-glycinate and have 200 mg per capsule are mostly magnesium oxide with a little magnesium glycinate mixed in.

I've been taking zinc in lower doses of around 10 to 25 mg for awhile. I'm just now starting to add in copper to balance it and finding the right dose for me. I noticed the most common ratio in combination supplements is around 10:1 zinc to copper. I've seen many online product reviews where people said their gray hair went away after taking 2 mg copper per day. They say you need to take it for a few months before you start to see darker hair roots, so it will be some time before I can comment about that. Some also said the same thing about spirulina, the highest vegan food source of copper. Other good food sources are beef liver and cocoa powder or dark chocolate. If you are still taking 100 mg of zinc, you might need more than 2 mg of copper. I've seen some reports of people taking up to 6 mg copper per day. The following video talks about a study where people who lived 100 years had normal levels of zinc and copper.

Jeanne Calment is said to be the longest lived person in reported history at 122 years. She claimed to eat two pounds of dark chocolate per week, which is slightly more than one 100 gram bar per day. That bar would contain almost 2 mg of copper and over 200 mg of magnesium, two minerals most people are deficient in.

 

[John_Dough]

High dopamine levels seem to be correlated with a short refractory period.

Evidence for Oxidative Pathways in the Pathogenesis of PD (Parkinson's Disease)
"In a rat rotenone model, intervention with vitamin E significantly decreased lipid peroxidation and improved SOD, GSH, and dopamine levels"

Vitamin C Doesn’t Just Support Your Immune System—It Can Help Boost Your Mood, Too
"Dopamine is a "happy" brain chemical linked to making us feel energized and plays a vital role in the brain's pleasure and reward systems. Dr. Naidoo explains that not getting enough vitamin C can cause dopamine levels to drop."

How to Boost Dopamine (Naturally)
"Magnesium deficiency from an unbalanced diet can also depress dopamine production. As dopamine is easily oxidised in the brain we also need sufficient levels of anti-oxidants such as beta- carotene and vitamins E & C which protect us from oxidative stress and damage."
"Excessive sugar consumption can also lead to the development of insulin resistance, which reduces your body’s ability to absorb the amino acids to produce dopamine. If you have a real sweet-tooth then you might consider a supplement like chromium picolinate which can improve nutrient metabolism and reduce sugar cravings."

Vitamin D: A potent regulator of dopaminergic neuron differentiation and function
"Vitamin D has been identified as a key factor in dopaminergic neurogenesis and differentiation. This study continues to establish vitamin D as an important differentiation agent for developing dopamine neurons, and now for the first time shows chronic exposure to the active vitamin D hormone increases the capacity of developing neurons to release dopamine."

How To Increase Dopamine

1. Tyrosine is an amino acid that is a precursor to dopamine. Supplementing with tyrosine may help to increase dopamine levels in the brain, which can improve focus and concentration.
2. SAM-e (S-adenosyl-L-methionine) is a compound that is involved in the production of neurotransmitters, including dopamine.
3. Vitamin B6 is involved in the synthesis of dopamine and other neurotransmitters. Supplementing with vitamin B6 may help to increase dopamine levels in the brain
4. Zinc is an essential mineral that is involved in the production and metabolism of dopamine.
5. Iron is an essential mineral that is involved in the synthesis of dopamine.
6. Magnesium is an essential mineral that plays a role in the production and release of dopamine.
7. Rhodiola is an herb that has been traditionally used to improve mental performance and reduce stress. Some research has suggested that rhodiola may help to increase dopamine levels in the brain
8. GABA (gamma-aminobutyric acid) is an inhibitory neurotransmitter that plays a role in regulating dopamine levels in the brain.
9. Ginkgo biloba is an herb that has been traditionally used to improve mental performance and memory. Some research has suggested that ginkgo biloba may help to increase dopamine levels in the brain
10. Mucuna pruriens is a plant that is rich in a compound called L-dopa, which is a precursor to dopamine.

 

[GerryForMayor]

Dizzying list!

But I notice Mucuna Pruriens got mentioned at the end. We talked about that before.

 

[John_Dough]

High dopamine levels seem to be correlated with a short refractory period.

Role and Mechanism of Vitamin A Metabolism in the Pathophysiology of Parkinson’s Disease
"Vitamin A deficient rats have motor impairments similar to those observed in rat models of PD or in mice lacking retinoid receptors. Another study reported that vitamin A deficiency impaired dopaminergic transmission"

Dietary fish oil affects monoaminergic neurotransmission and behavior in rats
"The frontal cortex, striatum, hippocampus and cerebellum were studied in rats fed fish oil (FPO, 50% salmon oil + 50% palm oil). Dopamine levels were 40% greater in the frontal cortex of rats fed FPO than from those fed the control diet."

Dopamine Supplements
"Vitamin B12 gives you a natural energy boost by converting your food into energy. It is also crucial for the regulation of neurotransmitters like serotonin and dopamine, to help lower stress and anxiousness. Estimates suggest that up to 50% of adult Americans have B12 deficiency or suboptimal B12 levels."

12 Dopamine Supplements to Boost Your Mood
"Green tea has long been touted for its antioxidant properties and nutrient content. It also contains the amino acid L-theanine, which directly affects your brain. Multiple studies have shown that L-theanine increases dopamine production"

 

[Ddteamrider]

Lately I have been having more than one ejaculation during sessions - e.g. three last night with Nancy at Fantasy Spa. This is really unusual for me - my normal pattern is one in session and then one later on at home. Now, not much is coming out of me after the first one, but it still feels great. I thought this was due to getting next level service from Nancy and Emily (also at Fantasy - four times with her), and that is definitely a factor. But another factor is a daily shake that I have been taking for the last couple of months. I will describe it now, and if you guys have your own recipes please share them here.

• One scoop Vega all in one shake
• Three teaspoons beet root crystals
• Two teaspoons collagen
• Two servings of "Impact Igniter" - which has creatine, L-citrulline, beta-alanine

How does this concoction honestly taste?

 

[UsefulIdiot]

How does this concoction honestly taste?

Not too bad. The Impact Igniter has a strong flavor.

 

[Ddteamrider]

I will give it a try for a few weeks and report my findings

 

[Ddteamrider]

So been taking it for about 3 weeks now.
Tastes alright I have added a banana to the red beat crystals, vega and impact igniter to give it a bit more substance.
These are my findings:
I find I am more alert / sharp in the mornings.. Before I would wake up with a morning haze / fog, now I am up and ready to go right away no working into the mornings.
I am having better blood flow to the point where I have gotten looks at my pants when nothing was happening down there if you get my drift. Definitely a confident booster. And a general boost of energy throughout the day are the obvious differences.
I am always horny so I am not sure it has made me more so but have been busting 2 times a day for the last 10 days pretty consistently.. Thanks for the recipe.