Wanna go out and meet some cute boys!

[Pompal 09.]

What ?? After all you've spouted off, I reckon we deserve to see your ugly mug, most of us have gone through the process. Don't be shy, get your camera out and join the club.

Besides, it won't be a lynch mob, more like a hit-girl (I'm not sexist...much !!)

 

[Peachy]

Hi eurogirlinthailand

While I may agree with some of what you have to say, .... I honestly see a distortion, and a contradiction in some of your views.

You say:

Yet you then go on to say:

Was this intended to be a "parrot" of someone else, or is that your view? Because if its your view, is a very narrow view that is inaccurate, and it shows a "preaching" about Thai culture, that you state earlier you dislike. Its a hipocritcal statement to me. And its magnifiied by its inaccuracy.

Unfair and as stupid as you may think it is, the truth is there is a lot of truth to it. You complain about over weight men going with fit Thai women. But how many times in western European bars, have I seen overweight western women being picked up by fit western men? Why? Because the selection is limited. But in Asian bars, there is a much widder selection, and the competition for western women is suddenly different.

Men who a western women would not give one hoot about, suddenly will be considered by asian women. And yes, a lot of it boils down to money and security that the man may be able to offer (which is your point). But a lot also boils down to culture, and the way a western man will treat an Asian women, which you seem to completely miss in your point.

Don't kid yourself. A lot of these western women, who can't cope in an Asian bar, would have no problem in a European bar. Why? Because the competition isn't the same. Its really that simply.

Well, I see no need for bitter ness on either part. But I would say there is bitterness on both sides. Bitterness with the western men, of what they have to deal with in the west in terms of the fitness of western women. And bitterness with the western women, when they are faced with the competition in Asia. You may not like the Asian situation, and western men may not like the European situation, but thats the way it is.

A western woman who is fit, pleasant, and fun to be with, should have no problems in Asia. Attitude says a lot. But a western women, irrespective of how attractive she is, won't get very far in an Asian bar if she cops an attitude, and starts saying what a bunch of jerks the men are. She may be able to get away with that attitude in Europe (because of her looks), but not in Asia. There is too much competion.

This shows how liittle you know about Thai culture. Don't let the smile, and waht appears to be a passive or submissive attitude fool you. There is a lot going on behind that smile. A lot more than you may ever suspect.

Had to leave with? Who FORCED the women to go with the men? Are the women not getting something out of it? How many Thai BG have 2 or 3 men overseas sending them money, while they are working another "fat" or "rich" falang.

Frankly, your statement of "disgusted, literally sick", smacks of bitterness to me.

Well, the sympathy is probably most appreciated, but don't be too judgemental here. You may be only seeing the surface, and not everything that is going on.

Well, you probably will prefer Phuket Town, as I mentioned earlier. I tried to get the thread pushed in that direction, but clearly thats not a subject of interest on this thread, as the discussion of Phuket Town night life appears to have died rather quickly.

My apologies for being blunt, but if you think you will crave western company, its quite possible Thailand, indeed Asia, is not the place for you.

Best wishes in your upcoming time in Phuket. I'm looking forward myself to being there in just 24 hours, although I doubt that I will hit the night life scene. Married life has removed that urge from me, to a large extent. I may drop by some of the bars, and look up some of the bar managers I remember from old, if they are still there.

 

[Alex B]

gee tarzan, you do not want anyone to look down on bg's but you think someone who stripped can never do anything productive with their life after that?

As for being a sorry muthafuc*a, you do not need to look forward to it, you are already there.

 

[Kristi Kreme]

Starting to think you will do fine here.. This aint Pats.. This is not as in your face as Nana / Cowboy / etc..

Even in the BG scene one of the reasosn so many people like the phuket scene is most girls are looking for long termers etc as they are for fast $$$..

We will never know till you get here.. Make sure you give us your impressions if you dont stay a regular member..

 

[Erin]

I will do, but wll probably post pretty regular for the time being, you need a woman point of view here now and then I think. I also would love to start a thread for women who like thai men, we are such a neglected group!

 

[........yewwww]

No one will get lynched is they dont take judgemental posts and tones.. Depsite all assurances thats not the case and we gang up on her.. some of Eurogirls posts were VERY judgelmental..

Have we ever ganged up on you H ?? Or AusieButterlfy ?? Etc

 

[Mexxia]

Defensive on the part of whom ?? EuroThaiGirls poor opinion of thailands 'working girls' or our opinions of why we like them ??

If you see some of her other posts (and I had not when I first posted in this) she has a very bad opinion and attitude to Thai girls that might sleep withg western guys.. I know quite a selection of part timers that are not looking to get paid per night (though they desperately do need money).. They are looking for someone to take core of them, they are looking for someone to love them, they are looking for somone to have a stable family life with.. Fact of the matter is its hard for these girls to find someone who is relationship minded, many guys want to fcuk em and move on.. So this makes them 'bad girls' the way her other posts read (had so many coks its nearly like sleeping with a LB etc) shows a deep resentment..

My advice is get used to it. You aint in Kansas anymore Dorithy and your lucky enough that you have the ability (that few of the women she is criticising have) that you can click your ruby slippers and go home...

If the 'scene' really offends you.. Patong will be hard (Chalong is to sedate for me but thats where you can avoid the girls).. all of the discos become pick up joints but no worse than any Euro meat market I have been too.. Tiger / Dragon / Safari and (slightly less so) Tai Pan Baya etc all can be enoyed for music and fun rather than the scene with the right attitude.. Bangla bars like Kangaroo / U2 / etc are not girl pick up joints..

Its all about attitude.. I have had my father out here to stay with no issues.. Will probably have my mother come out and stay this year.. I see nothing shameful about living and enjoying this lifestyle (tho will probably calm the pool orgies down while my mother stays just have to use Jans pool in Valhalla !!)...

 

[krazykhrystyne]

Gee, Mikey, lighten up, guy. Sit back, relax, put your feet up, set a spell. How's things at work? Job getting to you!

You USED to be a funny guy!

 

["Vallamkali"]

LiviLos,

Just a note on stats. Black girls do indeed have a high infection rate, in fact blacks in general do. It is thought to have something to do with a mutation on ccr5 gene. It is complex and I will explain it if you want but there is a higher rate of infection in blacks and Asians than in whites. Has something to do with a gene that mutated during the plague. I also stated on one thread, if you noticed, that there are many variables as to infectivity of each individual etc. Having said that, blacks make a small perceneforum.xxxe of US population unlike Thai girls who are, as one would expect, the majority here. You therefore cannot compare stats for a small population in a larger pool with a larger populaton spanning a country. The stats in Thailand are still alarming, 1 in 60!!!!!

I do not think it is racist or biased to point that out, it is merely common sense and precaution.

If you want a link I can give you a ton, but here is one with a good perspective estimating the rate of infection among sex workers to be 40%, that is 4 in 10, an astronomical stat!!!

www.thebody.com/unaids/asia_trends.html

No matter how you slice it or try and justify it the fact is that sex in Thailand is more risky than sex in the west. Prevelance rate, viral infectivity due to subtype, and then the concentration of infection in populations westerners(men and women) are most likely to come in contact with.

 

[dog]

etg that post put a few people in thier place fair play. some people have said they would never go with another women unless they are thai, i cant understand this. dont get me wrong they make you feel good but when it comes to women if they are attractive it doesnt matter what race they are they are still attractive. i'm only 24 so still have a lot to learn but i am old enough to know if a nice looking women paid any man attention whatever her race especially if alcohol was involved men would be more than willing to try it on with them. me included

i do understand that people have preferences like brunettes but i cant believe that anyone would dismiss all other possibilities just because they dont match thier preferences

 

[ollie]

LivinLos I am still waiting for someone to show me the judgemental posts I allegedly made. The only two that spring to mind is my telling the dad to butt out of is sons sex life, which I would say again and again, and the comment on the LB thread, which I do not think was judgement but rather stating the obvious and doing so for the purpose of pointing out the foolishness of the prejudice on that thread...so please do show me those posts where I am VERY judgemental.

 

[Pompal 09.]

That about sums it up!

 

[Door Knob.]

What a scary thought.

Glad i don't have much sex anymore. (read long time gf) :sad:

 

[MOMIN]

Hey Eurogirl you gotHeywood and many other BM pissed!

Congratulations! Heywood is such a kind man, you need a lot to make him write things like that!

About yourself, i am always happy to get a girls opinion on the board, can be very refreshing some times! I am not the one, although I am an old man to flame people. In every word there is an opinion expressed, wich cannot always be the same as mine!

But your repeating posts, defending yourself are getting me tired! I don't think you aknowledge, that sometimes your words do insult people....

As for me, I would like that you just admit that you did not put your words the right way and the other guys to let it go now!

Enough has been said, there are enough fights over many stupid things in the world, so at least have sanuk here! :light:

 

[Renee P]

In short mate you can rave on all you like quote the oxford dictionary( although I think Freud might be more suitable in this case ) but it won't make a shred of difference if someone is not willing to listen to reason and more concerned about their own ego than the the facts at hand you're fighting a loosing battle.

Tarzan I offer my deepest sympathy to you and your fellow country men it is now apparent why there are so many Swedish men in LOS.

Liam if you keep greasing you might save yourself a couple of thousnd baht but is it really worth it, after all she's old enough to be your mum. :what:

 

[Farhadalishah]

1) The 'spouting shit' reference was for the waffling religious sermon.

2) I wasnt backing you up at all. The submissive and dominant reference was with regards to YOUR antics. That girl wasnt being submissive, YOU were being dominant.

3) I am sitting back, im relaxed, and my feet are up in front of the fire, and my mood is very light.

4) If I USED to be a funny guy, then one thing is for certain, you have NEVER been a funny guy. I cant think of one thing you have wrote in your reams and reams of tedious ramblings that has made me laugh.

Of course you will laugh, and 'thank me' for making such valid points. Its all you can do, because if what you did with that girl is 100% true, then one day I hope you wake up and realise the enormity of what you did.

 

[Evja Teacher]

Eurogirl Im afraid you know nothing about me.

I pretty sure you are getting no attention whatsoever in Bangkok and it's really screwing you up and making you twisted. As I said before go back to farangland these guys dont know about LOS, it really is your only chance

Dont fight against it just accept it, I doubt the world over you have a clue what guys are looking for in a woman

I will pm the board members and get a collection tin at my bar for a whip round, for a one way ticked back to your home country

If you dont want to go and try and tough it out, maybe we could start a dating agency for you on this board. Just upload a photo and your profile, okay........ Will be intersting to see the level of interest you get

Im really trying to help you here and put you out of your misery so please dont be angry

my best wishes

G

 

[forgiven490]

Was this intended to be a "parrot" of someone else, or is that your view? Because if its your view, is a very narrow view that is inaccurate, and it shows a "preaching" about Thai culture, that you state earlier you dislike. Its a hipocritcal statement to me. And its magnifiied by its inaccuracy.



No it is not a view it is something I have been told about from thai friends and also observed. I think you should read my response to jaybee where I explain this more.



Unfair and as stupid as you may think it is, the truth is there is a lot of truth to it. You complain about over weight men going with fit Thai women. But how many times in western European bars, have I seen overweight western women being picked up by fit western men? Why? Because the selection is limited. But in Asian bars, there is a much widder selection, and the competition for western women is suddenly different.



I also said in quotations that this would make most men ill as well if it is vice versa and I know it works both ways. But again, you are not talking about pick up bars, you are talking about p4p bars, not the same ending no matter how you slice it as it is not a question of just pulling as it is in the west in a bar. I also see girls there who go off with nasty looking men....but that is not because it is their job. If you want to talk about just any old thai bar then yes there is a better selection of trim and fit men and women...why do you think I like thai men?








Men who a western women would not give one hoot about, suddenly will be considered by asian women. And yes, a lot of it boils down to money and security that the man may be able to offer (which is your point). But a lot also boils down to culture, and the way a western man will treat an Asian women, which you seem to completely miss in your point.



Fair enough but then again if you are talking about the normal thai girls not the bg's for whom it is income, then I agree completely! See another post where I brought up the other side of it though where a really nice good looking thai man does not think he will ever get married because he is not wealthy enough.





Don't kid yourself. A lot of these western women, who can't cope in an Asian bar, would have no problem in a European bar. Why? Because the competition isn't the same. Its really that simply.


I have a friend who hated asia because she got no attention, is slightly overweight and of course the competition is different. A lot of girls in an english pub who pull regularly would have major problems in Sweden as well, it can be said about almost any culture going into another culture. I never said it was not the case completely but it is an unfair generalisation, I have a blast in Thai bars with Thai blokes and when in mixed bars have always met farangs as well...though admittedly I am more interested in the thai men.





Well, I see no need for bitter ness on either part. But I would say there is bitterness on both sides. Bitterness with the western men, of what they have to deal with in the west in terms of the fitness of western women. And bitterness with the western women, when they are faced with the competition in Asia. You may not like the Asian situation, and western men may not like the European situation, but thats the way it is.



I agree but you leave out the fact that many western men are seriously unfit as well and that this is mutual. Again, why do you think I prefer asian men? Lean, hairless, young looking faces a lot longer, extremely nice and kind and sweet and caring. I think the reasons on both my side and men with TG's is the same. I am again talking about pure p4p though.





A western woman who is fit, pleasant, and fun to be with, should have no problems in Asia. Attitude says a lot. But a western women, irrespective of how attractive she is, won't get very far in an Asian bar if she cops an attitude, and starts saying what a bunch of jerks the men are. She may be able to get away with that attitude in Europe (because of her looks), but not in Asia. There is too much competion.


If you are incinuating I would ever walk into a bar and say anything of the sort you are mistaken. For those who know me they will know I am outgoing, fun and respectful of Thais and their lives and lifestyles. I also am very giving and eager to learn both more about their language and culture and make every effort to fit in in that sense. I think anyone who cops an attitude in a bar will have a problem male or female. At the same time copping an attitude on a forum where you are being attacked is hardly the same thing.







This shows how liittle you know about Thai culture. Don't let the smile, and waht appears to be a passive or submissive attitude fool you. There is a lot going on behind that smile. A lot more than you may ever suspect.


I have many thai friends and had a thai bf, I know a lot about the culture, and quite like it.






Had to leave with? Who FORCED the women to go with the men? Are the women not getting something out of it? How many Thai BG have 2 or 3 men overseas sending them money, while they are working another "fat" or "rich" falang.


It does not make it any less repulsive to me. I am not saying they are not getting anything from it, I am saying I put myself in their shoes and think of what they need to do next when I see them leaving and think how I would feel...they can do it. I couldn't for example be a masseuse either as I would be disgusted touching someone with nasty skin...perhaps I am more squeamish in that sense, but that is just me. As for the men, if they send these girls money that is on them as well.






Frankly, your statement of "disgusted, literally sick", smacks of bitterness to me.


Bitter from what? I am expressing how distasteful it would be for me to have to go shag some of these blokes and how it makes me feel. They are doing a job, and whether you like it or not if pickings are slim they need to feed themselves, and it makes me ill to see some of the men they need to shag. I saw a man about 70 weighing about 150 kilos leaving with a girl who looked like she could be his granddaghter and was tiny tiny....am I not aloud to feel disgust? Would you not sometimes look at a girl leaving with a bloke and say. "oh damn that is nasty"...it is human.






Well, you probably will prefer Phuket Town, as I mentioned earlier. I tried to get the thread pushed in that direction, but clearly thats not a subject of interest on this thread, as the discussion of Phuket Town night life appears to have died rather quickly.

My apologies for being blunt, but if you think you will crave western company, its quite possible Thailand, indeed Asia, is not the place for you.



I know I will prefer Phuket town but mainly because I fancy Thai men and love being around asians. You may have missed that but I actually feel very comfortable around asians and almost prefer to be around asians, have always been fascinated with asian culture and love the food, people etc. When I said "if I crave" I meant that if the urge came to be around westerners I knew where to go, not that I have had the urge I have usually complained to my thai friends in BKK that they were taking me to too mixed places....chan ow thai pooshai...thai pooshai laaaw!!!







Best wishes in your upcoming time in Phuket. I'm looking forward myself to being there in just 24 hours, although I doubt that I will hit the night life scene. Married life has removed that urge from me, to a large extent. I may drop by some of the bars, and look up some of the bar managers I remember from old, if they are still there.[/QUOTE]



Thanks and have fun also!

 

[gibson.samantha23]

TinTin I respect what you are saying and said about 7 posts back I want to drop the whole thing. But I am sorry I think if my words offended people then they are WAY too sensitive and WAY too defensive and that has to do more with personal guilt perhaps than anything I say. If I defend myself it is because I think it is a load of bollocks to not be able to call a girl who sells herself a prostitute without being accused of being judgemental then when I point out the obvious like what you would call someone who who waits tables for a living etc, it is ignored and the next, "You are so judgemental and rude" comes at me. I have challenged anyone to show me some of my "terribly judgemental" posts and all I got was the one post which has been discussed to death now! I am all for dropping this in its entirety as it is ridiculous at this point!

 

[cassandra007]

With all due respect eurogirlinthai, this is a crock. There are alternatives.

You are simply going to the wrong places. FULL STOP.

If (in Phuket) you only frequent Patong, and some of the bars in Kata/Karon, then you will come away with the impression that you have. But if you go to the right places in Phuket Town, you will have a different impression.

The same is true in Bangkok. You can go to the places where the P4P (pay for play) scene is located, or you can go to the places where the Thai crowd (who are not into the P4P scene) hang out.

From what I have read, most people who post on this phuket-info.com forum are men. And a lot of the men who follow phuket-info.com, are not necessarily interested in going to the clubs where the non P4P scene is located. Why? Because most women in those places simply do not go to bed with the man after meeting them for one night. Instead it takes much more time before both parties become intimate.

Well if one only has one or two weeks, and if a man wants to get laid a number of times on a vacation, why waste one's time developing a slower, more traditional, Thai relationship? Especially when one can laid in minutes, at a place in Patong Beach, or in Bankgok in Sukhumvit or Patpong?

I understand your point, but I think the feelings you are expressing are the classic feelings of a western woman, when confronted with the P4P scene that is open to all sexes in Thailand.

And I say "all sexes", because don't think this scene is only for the men. If you research the web a bit, you will find a lot of Japanese women come to Phuket (and also Cambodia) to meet local Thai (or Cambodian) men. But in this case the money flows from the Japanese lass to the Thai (or Cambodian) man. It is also a P4P scene, albeit attempts are often made to blur the boundaries by calling it "romance tourism", as opposed to "sex tourism". But cut to the core, and its all the same.