in love with a bargirl... big question here

Had an Ovation "Anniversary Special" with steel strings for years.

Finally had a crack appear in the neck and ditched it.

Settled on a very nice "Seagull" cedar faced steel string acoustic. Not very expensive, but sounds great. 55555 :oh:
 
These are working girls. The only money/love connection for them is their love of your money! :rules:
 
oh yeah
by the way, asking any women this question sort of shows a little bit of insecurity. which at 24 yrs old, is to be expected
 
Sry, but i simply think its unfair to not pay them. Even if they offer that for me i always pay!!! ( a golden rule of mine)

And welcome to thailand!

:cheers:

hugo
 
I think you will find this forum caters to a far wider audience than "sex tourists" OMG. Don't be so presumptuous.
 

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LOL, yah just friends.....man....she knows how to catch men.........

at the other site:

i was together with a non BG - ok - sex was free, but all the food, drinks and stuff not.....

and who knows.....i saw her a few months not.....she will ahve sex with others..its ok.......she is waiting for me.......i can decide, if i want to have her again if i go back to LOS or if i want to have an other girl

if BG or not.....the only difference is: for ine u pay for sex and for the other not.....

but,,,,,,,if she was once in BG biz...i would never trust her......(to be honest: i could not really start a serious realtionship with these kind of girls.....)

OMG wrote: .... mean, why not **** her? She said nonono, just friends.
 
She called me at 11:15 to tell me she was sorry, but i was sleeping so i just asked her: Where were you yesterday? she said: in my room.

Yesterday i forgot to mension that at like 5:45am i went to her room (10 seconde walk from mine) and i looked in the room. There were 2 girls sleeping. Her friend that i could see and another girl but i coulden't see verry well in the dark. I knocked in the window, but no answer. So maybe its true she slept there.

But what about a ****ing sjort time?
 
Yeah, I read what you said, and well done on finally doing the right thing. My point is that throughout this, you haven't been honest with yourself. You went into a Thai bar and picked up a bar girl. Yet you tell all the old-timers that they're just jealous - that you don't 'have to' pay for sex. Nobody 'has to', some people choose to. If you're between forty and death, it's a lot quicker for a start.

But if, during that first morning with her, she'd asked 'Where's my money?' would you have refused to pay her? No, you would have paid up. So what's the difference between you and anyone else?

What saddens me is that, reading through our posts, I begin to see the affair from her point of view. You neither throw her out or pay her after the first night, so she starts to think that you might be serious. That she might be one of the very luckiest girls, who is a few weeks into the job and meets a young falang who will take care of her and maybe marry her.

But once again, be honest. Are you mature enough and strong enough to take her home and introduce her to your family and friends? To answer the questions and suspicions they might have? Was it ever even a possibility? I doubt it.

The other girls at the bar are probably explaining to her that young butterflies expect everything for free and then they go home to their falang girlfriend. They're probably telling her the old guys don't look or possibly smell too good, but they have more money and are much more likely to commit to them. Then they'll explain to her about the sponsors 'system'. Milk a few old guys simultaneously and hope one of them eventually puts a ring on her finger.

Start thinking about things from her point of view. She's a flesh and blood woman, with feelings. Visa2003 is right - find a way to make it up to her. It might even still be money, sent to her via a third party - you can give it to a trusted falang friend and have him drop it in to her. Or you could give her a generous gift - Thai girls seem to have a weakness for gold.

OMG, you're not a bad guy and you've learnt a few lessons, but at the end of the day you walk away from it and she's back to making a living selling sex. It's not an easy life. She deserves some respect and kindness.
 
Hold your horses man, you've just met her. Don't let love blind you.

Why you don't have to pay? Don't know, could be she's not short of cash at the moment, maybe she wants a young guy for fun for a change and not an old fat drunk tourist (they're only human too), she wants to show you off as a trophy to her friends (hence the jealousy),...

It's impossible to say she's genuine or not, but the 3 week story, don't know...

By the way how's her English? If her she speaks decent english (thai english of course), she either is well educated or has spent quite some time already in the p4p business. Met some girls the same age as your gf over at my gf's village, they had english for some years in highschool. Their English was total crap, couldn't even hold the most basic kind of English conversation.

Oh yes, welcome to the board enjoy your holiday and your gf but take it easy on the commitments. First walk and then run.
 
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Ok, its been like 12-13 days we are together and still, i haden't give her 1$.

So yesterday, we were together and she was going to work (it was 8:30 pm). Than, i begin speaking about her ''cousin'' who takes a different guy every night but obviously she has a 22 years old guy who send her 20 000 bahts a month. So we start talking about bargirls and her cousin... And sudently she starts crying. I asked her about 50 times what she had, but it took her 40 minutes to tell me:

''look, i really like you, and i like spending time with you, but like you say, i'm a BARGIRL! Its been 12 days i'm with you and i made 1300 bahts (with drinks) so......snif snif............. maybe i will have to quit you and continue working.

Ok, the first thing in my mind was: She want me to think that if i give her money she wont go to work and blablabla

But the problem is i steal think that she likes me very much (RTG?)

So i thought about 10 minutes and i told her:

You have 2 choices:

2. I give you money for the time i spent with you, and we quit each other. I go tomorow morning in phuket town alone...

1. Ok look, i told you i wanted you to come with me in phuket town. You quit your job, you find a 8000/months job, i pay the house and the food, and i can ''support'' you. But If you want to come, i tell you right now...
-NEVER i will give you money every month if i go back to Canada like your ''boyfriend's'' cousin do.
-If one time you tell me: look i dont have enough money so i go back to work as a bargirl, my answer will be OK GO!!
-I'm not rich, we will have to stop going to restaurant every day and start making food at home.
-If you quit your job, i tell you right now, you will have a lot less money then you make now. So think about it.

So she start asking me questions about the house. After talking about 30 minutes, i told her: look, if one day you want to quit, just QUIT! I won't beat you lol

So she said... OK i come with you and i quit my job in 2 days. So i told her that i think she needs time to think about it, but even today she told me she really want to come. And we looked for houses today in phuket town.

Anyway, i think i have nothing to loose (maybe a little bit of money if her plan is to rip me off in long terme). So i gave her 3000 bahts today because she made only 1300 bahts for 13 days.
 
You've had enough warnings young man, that's it, I'm on my way round.

Where do you live again?
:erf:
 
i actually think it is good you are going into this on your own terms
i am sure you will get flack for that on here but those same guys will make fun of other guys getting scammed

but you have to understand her perspective also
you are not giving her a lot confidence, i think
a lot of girls get promises from farangs that the farangs never keep

so now you will have this girl that was suddenly partying everyday and having fun with her friends going into a life where she works 12 hours a day with only 1 day off. i see some turbulence ahead
 
With this attitude towards your GF, im not surprised some girls do all they can to scam some guys... Send them away when you get bored... Jesus...

Its still a human being we are talking about, not some toy, even if i understand it is difficult for you to understand the difference....
 
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    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Mass
  38. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบwelcome to wonder spaโ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,L6a4H8๏ผŒopen10 to10.on Thursday ,Ensuit shower available ๐Ÿ…beautiful Jessica come back,deep tissue to relax massage and nice body slide๐Ÿ…sunny very good looking,big breasted sweet sensual touch really popular ๐ŸŒนlong hair young beautiful Lucy,friendly smile,back walk,strong to relax oil amazing ending๏ผŒrelief your stress,must try๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ˜
  39. Lilyspa1:
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  40. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
  41. AliceSpa:
    THURSDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”.4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 3 girls here today at ALICE SPA. Open 10am to 9pm: JOJO (12pm-9pm): is a busty JAPANESE girl, magnificent DD Cup boobs, short, petite small body, pretty face AV Star, bbbj cim cof rim, special services available. KITTY (12pm-9pm) is a new Korean girl, super busty, small body, new to the business. Very friendly
  42. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Suki๐Ÿ˜is beautiful short petite tiny sexy student from Cambodia. Exotic features and model looks, Suki has a nice bum, slim waist, flat stomach and very good massage skills and has a great playful personality. Suki has a beaut
  43. ForeverWarden:
    Thursday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Sophia & Tracy. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups. Her massage is nice, her services will drive you wild & her finish is a dream come true. Sophia is a sweet & pretty Chinese lady with natural B Cups and an awe-inspiring smooth rounded ass. Sophia can provide top notch services
  44. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center: Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Midi,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Tina ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Cindy ,Student big boobs buttocks Vicky, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,๐Ÿ address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  45. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Vivian , pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Yuki ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Anjoo ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 .โ˜Ž๏ธ4379857899๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„
  46. HolidaySpa:
    Thursday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: ANGELA, LUCY & CINDY. Angela is versatile and responsive. LUCY is a beautiful and slim Asian lady with a happy disposition and great services. CINDY is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart, & an ass that will fire up your spirit.
  47. SugarLoveSpa:
    Thursday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: CHRISTINA, MIA, SARA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž CHRISTINA is Spanish, C Cups, 5'3", tall & nice curves, very open minded. MIA is a young & slim ๐™Ž๐™‹๐™„๐™‰๐™‰๐™€๐™, very PRETTY & PETITE Vietnamese beauty with perfect natural A Cups, 5โ€™1โ€ & 90 Lbs, very versatile. Come and enjoy.
  48. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young girls are working today, young sweet Taiwanese Victoria slime open mind and young flirty Tina with sexy body open mind, sexy Coco and Cute GFE Ella are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome,back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  49. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธLuna๐ŸŒธValentina๐ŸŒธKellyCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
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